ASA downgrades

twott driver

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Being a commuter on reserve, I am thoroughly looking forward to holding a decent line with days off and none of the BS I've had to put up with on reserve for the last 2 years. You boys can have it. Nothing quite like sitting around the crashpad and arpt for days on end with nothing to do. Pay looks like it's going to be marginally less as a high time fo than it would be as a capt on reserve anyway. Ooooooh, can you say "christmas off!"

To all those getting furloughed, my thoughts and sympathies.
 
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sunlitpath

Yes, when I compared my paycheck with senior FOs they often made more money than me. Then, they would chuckle, grab their flight bag, and say goodbye as I was placed on hold for 10 minutes by scheduling. I just regret that so many pilots are furloughed now...
 

asayankee

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Being a commuter on reserve, I am thoroughly looking forward to holding a decent line with days off and none of the BS I've had to put up with on reserve for the last 2 years. You boys can have it. Nothing quite like sitting around the crashpad and arpt for days on end with nothing to do. Pay looks like it's going to be marginally less as a high time fo than it would be as a capt on reserve anyway. Ooooooh, can you say "christmas off!"

To all those getting furloughed, my thoughts and sympathies.
Keep lying to yourselves boys....whatever makes you feel good.
 

silver02ex

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Keep lying to yourselves boys....whatever makes you feel good.
Believe it or not a downgrade and displacment means a lot to some of us. I use the money from the displacement / downgrade to put down on my first house. I get to see my family a lot more. I got to be there for my son's first steps and his first b-day. The company paid me to move and i move where i wanted. The pay cut sucks but i rather take the pay cut and have what i have now.
 

GreenMonster

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You guys couldn't be more right and life is only going to get better. Weekends, holidays, and control of our schedules. When we took this upgrade the economy was booming and we were suppose to be off reserve in no time. That was the entire reason I took it so early. My wife was thrilled except for the money issue but hell we did it before on FO pay and we'll do it again. Not only that we'll see each other again. I feel for the junior CP's who will be sitting 4am reserve with no control, good luck guys because I'll be one of those FO's smiling as I ride the bus home and the rest are told "we need you to call us back in an hour". As for the furloughed, God bless and good luck.
 

Gulf-front

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I don't know about you, but $2100 less per pay check is no chump change! Even at 100 hrs. in a pay period, I still lost 1000.00 as a FO. (CA at 75 hrs.).
P.S. Lines in the fall will at 75 hrs. Good luck all!
 

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You guys couldn't be more right and life is only going to get better. Weekends, holidays, and control of our schedules. When we took this upgrade the economy was booming and we were suppose to be off reserve in no time. That was the entire reason I took it so early.

That was your problem right there. I never expected that.
 

NoPlaneNoGain

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Sorry to hear the bad news guys! Just curious, what WILL BE the most junior captain D.O.H.?
 

CFI2766

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I don't know about you, but $2100 less per pay check is no chump change! Even at 100 hrs. in a pay period, I still lost 1000.00 as a FO. (CA at 75 hrs.).
P.S. Lines in the fall will at 75 hrs. Good luck all!
We might be lucky to have 75 hour lines. Who knows what might happen to our MMG?

Could get even uglier.
 

JustaNumber

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We might be lucky to have 75 hour lines. Who knows what might happen to our MMG?

Could get even uglier.
CT claimed in the town hall meeting, approximately 82 hour average lines for the fall. However, if we lose the 20 aircraft next spring with no replacement flying, then we will be massively overstaffed, and you will be correct.
 
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sunlitpath

My July 15th direct deposit just hit my acct. It was $2053 (resv capt, with 75 hrs. credit) Subtract $200 for crash pad = $1853, which equals an FOs mid month check that credits 90 hrs (not necessarily flown, but credit value). My first of the month check as rsv capt is usually $1610. As an FO it will be approx. $1000. Now we are talking $600 difference per month. Aggravation and occasional torment of being on reserve = $601. Now I am ahead.
 

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best Captaining advice
Go ugly early;
Never turn down a hotel room from the company;
Never answer your phone on Christmas;
Always tip your van driver;
Weather is always better avoided than penetrated;
Speaking of penetrated, if you want to retire with any money, keep wife #1;
Speaking of weather -- don't ever push it. Five years from now nobody will remember being pissed at you for being two hours late because of weather. Their families will remember forever if you pushed it and killed their relatives;
Never attend an ALPA or company meeting on a nice weather day off;
You can never get back a Christmas you missed with your young kids if you were stupid enough to go junior;
Ten knots too fast is way better than ten knots too slow;
Never give a flight attendant your phone number;
Never eat Mexican food at a non Mexican restaurant;
Don't brush your teeth in India unless it is with a new toothbrush and beer;
There is not ever a situation in which being on reserve doesn't suck;
Peanuts and black coffee isn't breakfast;
Every airplane, even the 777, feels like crap if you are flying it at 3 a.m.;
Don't poop in the airplane lav -- ever;
Never slip a Boeing 727 to a landing. A 767/757 is OK to slip a little, but never a 727;
If a senior company official ever asks what you really think, don't tell them;
Never drink with a line check airman or the FAA;
Don't trust a Chief Pilot with anything;
Try not to kill anybody or bend any airplanes; and
Deny, deny, deny ...
 

JumpersAway

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Been here 5 years, upgraded and bumped back to the right seat last year. I'm still on the 200, and with crediting somewhere around 98 hours a month, I manage to close the gap to nearly 500 bucks a month less as an F/O vs. Captain. Thing is, I have to work my tail off to do it, and I'm not expecting this type of line value going into the fall and winter. I'm fully expecting guarantee only, as should everyone else.
 

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Not to kick dirt in one's face, but we have jobs, no matter what seat--at least for now!
 

PooPooPants

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Not to kick dirt in one's face, but we have jobs, no matter what seat--at least for now!
That's what the FO's who got bumped down to fly reserve lines after the first furlough last year said! After a year and a half of captain reserve I kept telling myself to stay optimistic, it has to get better from here right? I thinks it's time for me to start thinking like a pessimist, that way I never build up my hopes!
 
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