ASA CX flights

[Roger Dat]

Is there anywhere on OurASA where I can find all the flights that were cx for a given day and the reason. I see the Real Time performance tab, but the cx's in there are just maint, Wx, ect. I want to see where and how many flights are CX on a given day for lack of crews. I know first hand that it is happening, but would like to see where it shows up......

 

[ace6453]

Is there anywhere on OurASA where I can find all the flights that were cx for a given day and the reason. I see the Real Time performance tab, but the cx's in there are just maint, Wx, ect. I want to see where and how many flights are CX on a given day for lack of crews. I know first hand that it is happening, but would like to see where it shows up......

Click on "Real Time Performance" then click on "cancels".

 

[No Delay]

however, those numbers are manipulated somewhat. For instance, if there is a trip that is uncovered due to lack of crew, then suddenly an aircraft goes into mtc...they will swap the uncovered trip to the a/c in mtc - then it will show as a mtc cancel.

Its not really an attempt to hide anything...but it doesn't always tell the whole story.

 

[Max Q]

however, those numbers are manipulated somewhat. For instance, if there is a trip that is uncovered due to lack of crew, then suddenly an aircraft goes into mtc...they will swap the uncovered trip to the a/c in mtc - then it will show as a mtc cancel.

Its not really an attempt to hide anything...but it doesn't always tell the whole story.

I can recall several instances where I showed up to a flight that was already delayed 2 hours due to lack of crew, the airplane was in MX, and was later coded as MX delay. I don't imagine that happens too often.

 

[sunlitpath]

They are spending a dollar to save 75 cents. Here we go again. They look at their projections on paper and they figure 2 mules will plow the farm; but after the plowing is done the mules are spent for the next day's work. It's hard to convince these guys of the realities of line flying. They really don't care either. Let's make them care.

 

[COOPERVANE]

They are spending a dollar to save 75 cents. Here we go again. They look at their projections on paper and they figure 2 mules will plow the farm; but after the plowing is done the mules are spent for the next day's work. It's hard to convince these guys of the realities of line flying. They really don't care either. Let's make them care.

Let's make sure those scheduled reduced rest overnights receive the performance enhancement they deserve.

We cannot reward them for scheduling these overnights. None of them will leave on time. I also feel tired ALOT these days.

 

[79%N1]

3 legs before, and 4 legs after a scheduled RR overnight is NOT going to fly!

 

[COOPERVANE]

I saw one with 5 legs after. There may be more....

 

[johnpeace]

Don't we lose min day pay if we call in fatigued?

Say you fly 3 of the 5 legs then decide it just wouldn't be safe to continue and call fatigued...how does that affect pay for the day?

 

[Max Q]

How about 7 legs followed by 8 hours and 15 minutes or so of rest? That was in there. Along with an 18 hour 18 leg four day.

 

[79%N1]

The open time is hilarious! There are about 10 4 days over every weekend, all between 15-16 hrs max! Good luck getting someone to take those, and poor, poor reserves!!!

 

[asayankee]

Yep....the SUCK known as reserve is going to get just that much worse. Great! I can't wait. Can I go back to FO?

 

[DHPFLYN]

How about 7 legs followed by 8 hours and 15 minutes or so of rest? That was in there. Along with an 18 hour 18 leg four day.

Your contract allows 7 Legs???
That is pathetic

 

[COOPERVANE]

Your contract allows 7 Legs???
That is pathetic

Regrettably, our contract "allows" many, many abuses due to the piss poor language with loopholes you can drive a truck through.

The company uses professional lawyers who specialize in $crewing labor. We have a community college law grad.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Regrettably, our contract "allows" many, many abuses due to the piss poor language with loopholes you can drive a truck through.

The company uses professional lawyers who specialize in $crewing labor. We have a community college law grad.

But doesnt Great ALPA dues help pay for a "GREAT" lawyer? Hmmm, maybe ALPA aint that great....

 

[JoeMerchant]

But doesnt Great ALPA dues help pay for a "GREAT" lawyer? Hmmm, maybe ALPA aint that great....

The ironic thing is it is people like Coopervane and crj567 who are strong union guys....Then they bash the same thing they support as the only way to go....then they bash Skywest pilots for not joining the thing they bash...Gotta love the irony of these idiots.....:laugh:

 

[COOPERVANE]

Don't put words in my mouth Joe. I'm not an ALPA cheeeader. I think we would do better with a different union. In house or otherwise. ALPA is broken. Our reps are broken.

Skyw seems to be doing fine without ALPA but I do think it is to keep the union off the property.

And the ALPA lawyers are far from great. They are playing checkers while MGMT is playing chess. They have been outclassed at every turn in every agreement we have signed since I've been here.

In fact Joe, I think some of the old contracts were superior to the current one. The current one is very well crafted to give the illusion of transparency and protection, but is riddled with weak language and loopholes. The bucket list reserve system as an example pretends to show transparency with scheduling, but in fact they can manipulate it any way the see fit, so the list is really useless. But there is the illusion of more control and transparency. It's just more buttons for us monkeys to push to feel more in control when we are not at all.

Yes, I know, the old contracts didn't have a bucket list, so you could never see where you stood, but now that we have it, we are NOT better off. There are MANY similar examples in the current contract which seem to be improvements but ultimately were not. Including PBS.

 

[Redan]

The ironic thing is it is people like Coopervane and crj567 who are strong union guys....Then they bash the same thing they support as the only way to go....then they bash Skywest pilots for not joining the thing they bash...Gotta love the irony of these idiots.....:laugh:

I'm sorry sir, but your litany of agenda based commentary versus the insightful viewpoints of others definitely does not qualify you to label anyone on these forums an "idiot."

 

[crj567]

And the ALPA lawyers are far from great. They are playing checkers while MGMT is playing chess. They have been outclassed at every turn in every agreement we have signed since I've been here.

In fact Joe, I think some of the old contracts were superior to the current one. The current one is very well crafted to give the illusion of transparency and protection, but is riddled with weak language and loopholes. It's just more buttons for us monkeys to push to feel more in control when we are not at all. .

VERY Well Put!

-Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[gator_hater]

There are MANY similar examples in the current contract which seem to be improvements but ultimately were not. Including PBS.

Isn't placing the blame for March pairings on PBS a little like blaming the post office because your cable bill is to high. PBS is a delivery system and it gives us more say in the assignment of the pairings.

I'll grant that it allows for a few more efficiencies that enable the company to reduce some open time and reserve coverage allowing for a different utilization of the labor force, but to place the all, or even most, of the blame on the delivery boy is a bit ridiculous. PBS gave the company a little wiggle room, but I believe (maybe I'm naively) that ALPA and the company's line about stage lengths probably has a little more to do with the trip quality. I don't hear near the complaints from the 700 guys.