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[Freebrd]

For all those that said SH was a great line pilot's kinda CP, well, it didn't take long! He suspended the dude that went to search for his bag for a week! Stated 'we have to get the attention of these pilots', or something to that effect. And he doesn't like our MEC Chair already....nothing like ASA cool-aid!

 

[av8er2]

If true, another great example of ASA trying to lead by fear. Do you think Southwest got to be such a great airline by leading by fear, no they know how to make their employees happy and motivate them.

Maybe ASA should hire an independent company to come in a direct them on how to treat and motivate their employees because mgt. can't do it.

If I flew with a crew and treated them like ASA treats its pilots and FA's they would not want to fly with me or cooperate.

Get a clue!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Source?

I heard about the Capt. and the bag, even our ATL base CP thought the punishment didn't fit the situation. The Capt. coulda handled it a little better too.

Were you told that it was SH that was the one who pushed for the week off or was he told to by upper mngmnt? Cause you know how much say our CP's have anymore.

 

[Freebrd]

Upper mgt or SH on his own, don't know. Doesn't really make a difference now does it? A week kinda off kinda harsh. What about some of the screw-ups who are in mgt positions who get promoted or a job is created for them? Like that Montreal dude and his DUIs, the recruiter w/ hers too, and on and on.....

Yeah, I heard the pilot in question could have handled it better. But, if we had space for our bags in the cockpit closet, or were allowed to place bags in the overheads, we wouldn't be having this discussion huh?

 

[PalmettoPilot]

Was anybody in the crew room on Thursday night? Scott Hall and Bob Arnold had a very interesting little debate. From that I understood that it was Kim Reed who was the CP involved, and the person who made the comment about washing underwear in the sink. Scott also said that the punishment was "under review" because it may have been too severe. Dave challenged back that perhaps a written apology and back pay would be in order. Scott didn't have an answer.

 

[Flooder305]

Please elaborate on the situation, this sounds entertaining....

 

[anon]

In addition to a written and public apology from KR, I think she should step down as an asst CP. Her comments were totally inappropriate.

If she doesn't make some sort of apology, I think the Capt. who was involved should report her to Human Resources and file a formal complaint against her actions.

As far as I'm concerned, she should now be considered to be in the same category as the other asst CP, CC, who is also too inexperienced and under-qualified to be in that position.

Thank God for FL and BD, at least they have a clue.

 

[Plug]

Was anybody in the crew room on Thursday night? Scott Hall and Dave Neuenhaus had a very interesting little debate. From that I understood that it was Kim Reed who was the CP involved, and the person who made the comment about washing underwear in the sink. Scott also said that the punishment was "under review" because it may have been too severe. Dave challenged back that perhaps a written apology and back pay would be in order. Scott didn't have an answer.

It was actually MEC Chair BA, SH, and FL having their own little town hall meeting. Many pilots joined in, it was good to see. Lets get all our $hit out there and maybe management will get a clue. Both management and the union are out there pounding the flesh in the crew lounges, but it is management going in to re-current and PIC classes, a luxury the union doesn't have, and spreading lies. Our CNC is ready to negotiate, our management is ready to dictate but they will tell you they are wanting to negotiate. BL is even on record as saying we need a Mesa type contract. Vote yes on the strike vote and be done with it!

 

[Jungle Prop]

Guys again with the alphabet soup? This is not top secret info, Scott Hall, Kim Reed, Brian Labreque. Come On!

 

["GO AROUND"]

Was talking to JR, YP and the rest in the crew lounge yesterday and the day before and they said the new controller that ASA just hired from SKW is a straight shooter. When setting up the models for the cost analysis he was straight up and gave us everything we asked for while TH sat there saying that he could get anything and the new guy said that it was not a problem at all right after TH. I guess TH was PO'd that his stall tactics were overridden by this new guy and kept stumbling over himself after every no answer the ne guy kept saying yes.

Hope this new guy is taking over the negotiations from TH. Been hearing more and more rumours about a lot of the pilot haters in mngment getting the boot. Hope that's true, it's gotten way too personal and it needs to get back to business.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Thought you got beat by the man if you used names here?

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireYeah, well mgmnt better see the light SOON before it gets a lot worse! Everyone I have talked too has had ENOUGH!! Give me the Strike Vote BABY!!!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

I can see people saying Capt. Reed is inexperienced for the job. I disagree about Capt. Childree. For one, he has a system seniority in the top 1/3 of the company. For two, he has been a Captain for more than four years here. He also worked on numerous projects at the GO before he became a CP. What other qualification do people want from him? The FAA says you need to have 3 of the last 5 years as a PIC to be a System CP; he is only an asst.
Capt. Reed on the other hand has failed to meet that requirement and I agree that she should not have been selected for the position.

 

[shamrock]

It was actually MEC Chair BA, SH, and FL having their own little town hall meeting. Many pilots joined in, it was good to see.

Normally if I see management in the lounge I head the other way, but I got interested when I saw Bob Arnold in there with Scott Hall.

It was definitely an interesting exchange between the two of them. Scott seemed pretty straight up, but his answers to questions about the abuse and reinterpretation of our current contract seemed evasive and were weak at best.

I started paying attention about half way into the discussion about the missing bag suspension so I didn't get the whole story.

 

[HoserASA]

As much as I like cowboys, BA is my hero! Nothing like tough questions in the crew lounge to the System CP in front of line pilots. Lots of points there for the MEC.

Hoser

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Did you guys hear what PQ and RT said the other day? I mean, FD, GF, DE, and PG have got it coming to them!

LOL You guys are like a bunch of little school girls running around gossiping, and don't even have the gonads to say their names.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Professionalism!

I can see people saying Capt. Reed is inexperienced for the job. I disagree about Capt. Childree. For one, he has a system seniority in the top 1/3 of the company. For two, he has been a Captain for more than four years here. He also worked on numerous projects at the GO before he became a CP. What other qualification do people want from him? The FAA says you need to have 3 of the last 5 years as a PIC to be a System CP; he is only an asst.
Capt. Reed on the other hand has failed to meet that requirement and I agree that she should not have been selected for the position.

Well, sometimes when an inexperienced individual is put into a position of power, it tends to go to their heads. She evidently has never had to supervise or work with numbers of subordinates. If she is abusing her power and not helping matters, she needs to leave!

 

[Texx]

I disagree about Capt. Childree. For one, he has a system seniority in the top 1/3 of the company. For two, he has been a Captain for more than four years here. He also worked on numerous projects at the GO before he became a CP. What other qualification do people want from him? The FAA says you need to have 3 of the last 5 years as a PIC to be a System CP; he is only an asst.

He is lacking something between his legs. Put a little pressure on him and he will cave. To quote him on a rest violation, "I'm going to have to fade some heat from above on this."

The above wasn't the FAA.

 

[jstyle13]

As much as I like cowboys, BA is my hero! Nothing like tough questions in the crew lounge to the System CP in front of line pilots. Lots of points there for the MEC.

Hoser

Yea I was in there too last night when they started going at it. Bob layed into him pretty good and seemed as fed up as well all(most) feel. I agree that Scott skirted around a bunch of the questions(specially the contract compliance/inerpertation). Hopefully he senses how fed up we all are. I will however, give him props for showing up and answering(or trying to at least) questions from a bunch of pissed off pilots. Mabye mgmt and the MEC can get something done in the next neg. session....if it's the same old crap though....bring on the VOTE!

 

["GO AROUND"]

I can see people saying Capt. Reed is inexperienced for the job. I disagree about Capt. Childree. For one, he has a system seniority in the top 1/3 of the company. For two, he has been a Captain for more than four years here. He also worked on numerous projects at the GO before he became a CP. What other qualification do people want from him? The FAA says you need to have 3 of the last 5 years as a PIC to be a System CP; he is only an asst.
Capt. Reed on the other hand has failed to meet that requirement and I agree that she should not have been selected for the position.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Childree was an intern before he was hired as a pilot and he kept his employee number but he is not in the top third of seniority. 6 years does not put you that high.