4newcontract
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Nindiri said:How much back pay. If you insist on full back pay, what are you willing to give up to get it?
Nindiri said:How much back pay. If you insist on full back pay, what are you willing to give up to get it?
AV8700 said:Your kidding right. Delay, delay and then we are supposed to give something for back pay? Don't think so. I'm still pretty pissed with what was just done for LOA27
AV8700 said:Your kidding right. Delay, delay and then we are supposed to give something for back pay? Don't think so. I'm still pretty pissed with what was just done for LOA27
Nindiri said:I didn't say full back pay wasn't important; I just asked what other area you are willing to negotiate in to get it. If you think you're going to get it for free, you're wrong. Everything is negotiable for a price, and nothing is free. Gain in one area, trade something else to the company. We, as pilots, have to decide what is most important to us. Full back pay sounds good to me, but I'm realistic enough to know that it will cost me in other contract items that I also want.
4newcontract said:So what do you want in the contract?
Nindiri said:Personally, I would think the company had more to fear from good work rules than a one time retro payout.
General Lee said:I suppose DL may want to delay so they could enter Chap 11 and impose a new contract. If they did and ASA pilots refused and wanted to strike, they could (maybe) bring the Mesa ERJs into ATL to try to fill in. You never know........ I hope they settle with you guys.
Bye Bye--General Lee
scarlet said:I vote NO too, if not 100% retro pay--if you vote yes to anything but, the next time the company will drag it out forever. Retro pay is fair--the company has been taking their time--and we want to reward them with no pay raises for 3 years....
CF34-3B1 said:Just to answer the original question, here's what it would take to get a yes vote from me:
100% retro pay
Complete overhaul of the scheduling system, including reserve rules, integration, and most importantly, accountability. (No more "denied, low coverage" BS, show us the proof) Plenty of other regionals have it, so should we.
Trip and Duty rigs (real ones, no lookback)
I'd settle for Comair pay rates, if we got all the above.
Things that would be nice to have, but not deal breakers:
Commuter clause
Comair + X%
Age and weight limits for F/As (Hey, I can dream)
CF34-3B1 said:I agree, but as far as I'm concerned, neither is negotiable.
If the company had been bargaining in good faith, I'd be much more willing to budge on the retro pay. As it stands now however, they've long since squandered any good will amongst the pilot group that might have let them get away with less than 100% retro pay.
It is about moving money around. And the actions of the company are going to require them to move more, rather than less of it, than had they bargained in good faith.
I'm completely willing to walk away from this job if we don't get the contract we deserve.
I think the danger here is management really and truly believes the majority of us are not.