ASA commuter clause

[avpro91]

Does ASA have a commuter clause of any type, also do they allow you to do outside employment??

 

[AV8700]

Does ASA have a commuter clause of any type, also do they allow you to do outside employment??

No and No

 

[ifly4food]

We don't have one, but it's high on the list in negotiations.

Management claims they are "Philosophically opposed to anything that would allow pilots to irresponsibly show up late for work". They also say it would "discriminate against employees who don't commute".

I guess they don't see the value of reducing sick calls and increasing employee reliability and morale.

 

[atrdriver]

Management is "philosophically opposed" to anything that could possibly improve morale here, in ANY employee group.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

What he said.

 

[ProLine4]

ASA commuter clause= get to work or you are fired.
Why? Mgmt thinks everyone's life is 9-5 at the DeathStar followed by a drive down 85 in our nice cars to Peachtree City.

F ATL.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Put simply, we're a modern jet carrier with the heart and soul of a Bandit outfit. Management believes that:

(1) pilots do not get sick,

(2) have families, or...

(3) have lives outside of the cockpit.
Somewhere on this board, I read that at American, you can call in sick forty times a year as long as you have doctor notes. Try that at ASA, and you'll be summarily executed.

 

[Boxer]

There will be one or else....

 

[av8tor4239]

This is How it works for you newbies and curious...

If you call in sick, doctors note or not, you are charged with an "occurance". If you amass I think 3 "occurances" in 6 months you recieve a letter to meet with the Cheif Poo. Then on your 4 "occurance" you recieve a written warning letter to be placed in your personel file to prevnet you from ever leaving ASA. Then on your 5 "occurance" you get a written letter of Termination. On your 6th occurance you get FIRED!

The way to cope with being sick (FOR REAL SICK) is to get a doctors note, then call the Cheif Pilots office and request FMLA (Family Leave ACT) paperwork. Then within 20 days of your Dr appointment Have the Dr fill out the 30 pages of questions in the FMLA packet and Fax it to the GO. If after all that IF you are approved for FMLA you will not get an occurance for your absence.

Welcome to 3rd grade again!

Fars require us to fly in good health, and if not in good health, we are not to operate an aircraft. ASA thinks obviously does not agree with the FARs.

 

[ifly4food]

Well put Av8or.

I hope the company does try to fire a pilot for a legitimate sick call. Not only could such pilot get this place shut down by the FAA, they would probably own the company after their wrongful termination lawsuit.

Several pilots have already gotten the "you must maintain perfect attendance for the next six months or risk termination" letter. These pilots should go to the FAA and show them this evidence of this coersion to fly sick in violation of the FARs.

 

[ifly4food]

Oh, and don't go to thew "normal" ASA inspectors (Curran, Shiflett, etc), go to a non-ASA fed. These guys have been in bed with ASA management ever since they ganged up with the company against the pilots over the ASAP program and, have repeatedly looked the other way over this occurance thing.

 

[flutterby]

Ok, let's think this thing through, if you are absent 3 times in 6 months, or 4 times in 12 months then you get a verbal warning (read your SP's), then if you are absent 5 times in 12 months you get a "written warning", 6 times in 12 months is a "termination warning" (and suspension - I think) 7 times in 12 months is "Termination". So, if you are absent that much, then maybe you should see about another profession. That would mean you are sick almost once a month! Oh yea, and that is only if you are not approved for FMLA. FMLA is really easy to get approved for though, just go to the Dr and get put on a prescription Med (if you really are sick, you probably need it). But, anyway, the point is, if you are out sick that much seek another profession, one that would not affect the flying public if you call out sick. And if you don't sick out often, then why even bother with or worry about it.

 

[avpro91]

Thanks for all the info guys, looking forward to getting started and this is definitly a QOL improvement for me. Thats sad isn't it. Doesnt sound too bad, just gotta keep on your toes. Hopefully some of these issues will get resolved with the new contract.

 

[av8tor4239]

Ok, let's think this thing through, if you are absent 3 times in 6 months, or 4 times in 12 months then you get a verbal warning (read your SP's), then if you are absent 5 times in 12 months you get a "written warning", 6 times in 12 months is a "termination warning" (and suspension - I think) 7 times in 12 months is "Termination". So, if you are absent that much, then maybe you should see about another profession. That would mean you are sick almost once a month! Oh yea, and that is only if you are not approved for FMLA. FMLA is really easy to get approved for though, just go to the Dr and get put on a prescription Med (if you really are sick, you probably need it). But, anyway, the point is, if you are out sick that much seek another profession, one that would not affect the flying public if you call out sick. And if you don't sick out often, then why even bother with or worry about it.

Flutter:

The point here is that we as pilots for ASA have been given something by the company (PAID SICK LEAVE) for use when we are not able to fly. Then they turn around and penalize us when we use it through the occurance system.

That is kind of like the company giving you a $100 dollar check, and then cancelling the check when you try to deposit it.

Now I am not stupid, I know why they do this; to keep the deadbeats that abuse the system from abusing the system without reprocussion. Remember though, this is not 3rd grade and we can negotiate our sick time into "personal time". We might get less of it, but if you need a day off and you cant get it from sched and you are too jr to bid and hold it, what are you going to do.. Right now nothing. But if we can negotiate some sort of personal days in place of "sick leave" you could.

The otherthing you need to remember is that there are otherways to get "occurances" other than being sick. The sick occurances just get you closer to getting fired. (i am NOT suggesting people violate the sp's or fars)

 

[canyonblue737]

remember large amounts of sick time are often given to help you out during a major illness where you miss large amounts of time without loss of pay (all during "one" occurance). getting "sick" every single month for a different cause each time for a year is very abnormal. the ASA policy is very harsh but it seems hard to reach even their breaking point unless you have a serious medical illness which relates them (in which case i am sure you won't get nailed...right?), or ahem... you're calling in frequently for non-illness reasons.