ASA Communist Club at it Again

[SuperKooter]

Looks like even tho managment has offered from what I understand a very generous increase in CRj and ATR wages the communist club still wants to have a strike vote. Talk about pathetic, if ASA goes on strike Bye bye asa or at least bye bye 1/4 of asas' fleet.

 

[Blucher]

Say what?

Wow, with that much information the rest of us can almost form an opinion.

-Blucher

 

[MXAV8R]

You call a 1.6% increase and a 2.6 to 13.5% REDUCTION in pay rates "very generous." Man you ARE a idiot....

 

[SuperKooter]

3/4 of the company would get an increase plus witht he reduction of the payrate on the 70 we would get much more growth.

 

[MXAV8R]

Oh yeah, Capt. pay on the 70 goes DOWN an additional 2.67% after two years!!

VOTE YES - STRIKE!!!!!

 

[SuperKooter]

Oh yeah, Capt. pay on the 70 goes DOWN an additional 2.67% after two years!!

VOTE YES - STRIKE!!!!!

i'll be voting no.

 

[MXAV8R]

3/4 of the company would get an increase plus witht he reduction of the payrate on the 70 we would get much more growth.

WRONG

FIRST OFFICERS GET NO PAY RAISE AND SOME GET A 13.5% REDUCTION!

Superkooter is Superclueless

 

[MXAV8R]

i'll be voting no.

You won't be voting anything...You don't work at ASA

 

[SuperKooter]

somebody better tell payroll because I seem to get 2 checks every month.

 

[Blucher]

SuperKooter,

What do you consider a "very generous increase in CRj and ATR wages?"
Some very clear numbers have been thrown your way, and all you've responded with is "i'll be voting no." What exactly are you basing your obviously well thought out decision on?

-Blucher

 

[crash41]

That proposal is a joke. Anyone who has been here longer than 2 days knows the company is full of sh!t about paycuts, growth, etc. SuperKooter just b/c you pleasure the company orally doesn't mean your going to get a management position. I really hope you're not that ignorant.

 

[SuperKooter]

The fact that if we don't come down a little on the 70 pay rates we will not get any more 700s Jerry Atkin has made that very clear. Growth is what is the most important.

 

[crash41]

The fact that if we don't come down a little on the 70 pay rates we will not get any more 700s Jerry Atkin has made that very clear. Growth is what is the most important.

I would much rather stop the spiral to the bottom and get a decent contract. If that means we don't get growth, then so be it. If we take it in the a$$ they will expect the same thing over and over. If all you care about are airplanes, please go work at mesa or chq where they whore themselves out on a daily basis. We don't need you or your ignorance at ASA.

 

[Blucher]

The fact that if we don't come down a little on the 70 pay rates we will not get any more 700s Jerry Atkin has made that very clear. Growth is what is the most important.

With all due respect, the kind of flying you're talking about is called GA flying. Professional pilots do NOT buy airplanes. Ask Comair about that one, I'm sure D'Angelho would be glad to discuss that with you. Although you'll want to PM him, as he's already on most people's "ignore list."

-Blucher:angryfire

 

[SuperKooter]

I would much rather stop the spiral to the bottom and get a decent contract. If that means we don't get growth, then so be it. If we take it in the a$$ they will expect the same thing over and over. If all you care about are airplanes, please go work at mesa or chq where they whore themselves out on a daily basis. We don't need you or your ignorance at ASA.

people want to upgrade.

 

[crash41]

people want to upgrade.[/

Pay cuts are not the answer. How long have you been here? Do you honestly believe anything that comes from the G.O.? So when you take a pay cut and then we don't get growth and you don't upgrade what are you left with? A sh!tty contract b/c you thought you could upgrade. Your sir are an idiot.

 

[Blucher]

people want to upgrade.

You're not speaking of yourself in the plural now, are you?
"people" want lots of things. This particular pilot group, I believe, would prefer not to be toyed with and lied to over and over again. Upgrading with garbage work rules really isn't all that cool. Wait, wait, I know....you're one of the guys who'll get your 1000 and immediately SWA or CAL will come banging your door down offering you a job. That's fine. Good luck, I wish you the best. However, just in case you're stuck in this quagmire for a time, wouldn't you at least like it to be a bit more livable? Better than how you found it?

-Blucher

 

[rtmcfi]

hey superpooter-
What was your previous username?

 

[surplus1]

if ASA goes on strike Bye bye asa or at least bye bye 1/4 of asas' fleet.

I think that if ASA were to strike it is far more likely that you would see the end of SKYW Holdings, long before you see the end of ASA (provided the ASA pilots stick together)

Obviously I'm not a ASA pilot and should mind my own business, but you Kooter sound a lot more like a SKYW pilot than an ASA pilot. Let's not forget that SKYW pilots started the BS of wanting to fly everything under the sun for a single pay rate.

Lot's of bad decisions have been made by many pilot groups, including mine, but that one sits at the top of the list. It has already hurt every airline operating equipment with more than 50 seats and will continue to do so for the forseable future.

And, you want to do it again?

 

[HoserASA]

Looks like even tho managment has offered from what I understand a very generous increase in CRj and ATR wages the communist club still wants to have a strike vote. Talk about pathetic, if ASA goes on strike Bye bye asa or at least bye bye 1/4 of asas' fleet.

I'm told that a 1% increase for CRJ200 and ATR, 10-13% reduction CRJ700. Pathetic! ASA MEC is processing for strike vote authorization from ALPA national as of yesterday.

Hoser
ASA P2P

 

[Crash Pad]

Still chasing payscales... Give me the SKYW contract... I'm on the 70 and will take a "paycut"... I will, however, make more than I ever will at ASA.

Hoser are you unhappy because everybody is unhappy?

 

[HoserASA]

Still chasing payscales... Give me the SKYW contract... I'm on the 70 and will take a "paycut"... I will, however, make more than I ever will at ASA.

Hoser are you unhappy because everybody is unhappy?

Haven't seen this company reducing other employee groups pay have you? What about management, are they cutting their pay? And what about the bonuses management pays to management? Those being eliminated/reduced?

Not unhappy at all. Just want to be compensated and treated fair. What's your problem?

Hoser
ASA P2P

 

[Turkey Shoot]

For everybody that says they want to stop the race to the bottom. At TSA, we stood firm and look what it's bought us so far. GJ scumbags have 15 planes now, hiring more pilots and while TSA guys are walking the street.

 

[punkpilot48]

This guys is obviously just a flamer guys. Don't let him get to ya.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Looks like even tho managment has offered from what I understand a very generous increase in CRj and ATR wages the communist club still wants to have a strike vote. Talk about pathetic, if ASA goes on strike Bye bye asa or at least bye bye 1/4 of asas' fleet.

You need to have more info posted so others know what you are talking about. Being informed is not one-sided. No one wants to walk, however being treated fairly is worth walking over.

 

[Gator81]

Why doesn't ASA take the paycut and get one rate for the the 200 and 700 like SkyWest does and get the same type of trip and duty rigs and bonuses that they have? Wouldn't it be a win-win situation? Have a larger W-2 at the end of the year and also more possible growth on the 70 side? That is where the company is going to grow.

As far as this $h1t about 50 and 70 seat payrates...it's getting old...ever think that Continental pays the same rate for someone to fly the 757-300 and the 737-800? From what I calculate thats a 61 passenger difference. Or what about their pilots being paid the same to fly the 777 with 283 seats vs. the 767-200 with 174 seats...a difference of 109 seats.

Take the paycut, get the bonuses and trip and duty rig, and get growth.

 

[FishandFly]

Looks like even tho managment has offered from what I understand a very generous increase in CRj and ATR wages the communist club still wants to have a strike vote. Talk about pathetic, if ASA goes on strike Bye bye asa or at least bye bye 1/4 of asas' fleet.

ASA Communist Club??

What are you even talking about? Do you realize that managements theory of having everyone make the same wage is a communist born theory?

Why don't you rename your post the "ASA CAPITALIST CLUB"

 

[79%N1]

I understand the desire for growth, and upgrade opportunities. However, those management proposals are absolutely insulting! I will be calling my reps today to let them know how I feel. This is a completer sellout of all first officers at ASA, and a sellout of the 700 pilots. FO's taking the biggest percentage of cuts???? Insane! No raise for FO's for 8-10 or maybe 12 years???? Utterly insane! No rigs, no increased benefits? What is going on here. I'd rather be an FO forever with the fair contract provisions and QOL issue improvements than be a captain without all that crap. Mostly, fair pay for FO's! Many will be in the right seat for 6+ years. Don't sell us out!

 

[ohplease!]

finally. a look at the top secret proposals from the union. hmm. I seem to remember all the union blowhards saying ALPA couldn't LEGALLY let us see those. BS now, BS then! there they are in black/white/red.

alpa didn't want to let you see them because they're embarrassed of them. 12% increase for capt. 10.5% FO.!! I've known this all along but, I'll ask anyway...ARE YOU F'ING NUTS?!?! Please check yourselves into rehab. The crack and heroine have taken control.

lies, lies and still more lies....our wonderful alpa has been telling us all along the company wants at least 8% reduction in 70 seat capt pay. NOT! Says right there...2.6% then two years later 2.67. just barely 5% total. And with a little "good faith" negotiations, this would be reduced to less of a cut than that. AND OUR 70 PILOTS WOULD STILL BE AT THE TOP OF THE SCALE!!!!

13.5% 70 FO ONLY reduction puts them in line with the rest of the fo's. Sucks but, that affects only about 200 TOPS! out of almost 2000. I can live with that.

there are things in those proposale that would see movement if alpa would "get real" like thier stickers read at one time.

Yesterday I would have voted yes on a strike ballot. Today, after seeing the utter madness of some of the things alpa is demanding, they'd better not send it to me. At this point, I will vote no and urge all those young guy's I've been urging to vote yes to vote no now! I'm not willing to walk for this POS demand from alpa.

get real guy's. I've seen the company come forward on many things (some I never expected they would) since these last sessions. Its alpa's turn to give. Do it..do it now..and lets move on.

 

[shamrock]

The most recent proposal I hard about was for a 1% raise on the 200 and ATR, 8% cut on the 700, but here's the kicker, a 20% raise on the Bandit!

That's all I need to here! Who cares about 700 pay, put me down for a yes!