ASA closer to a strike

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again, I agree with all that with the exception of alpa payrates being a roadblock. they are simply too high and alpa has not budged on them. those rates WILL NOT FLY. come off those and drop the retirement bs for better 401k match and IMO we'll get a deal done sooner rather than later.

ALPA didn't respond by lowering the payrates cause the companies offer was so lame. Why should they come down 5% when the company came up from current book so little?

 

[VeeOne]

Just call it 5% with profit sharing and call it done- It's almost guaranteed money anyways. What, we lost money ONE quarter when we first started up. I'll take those odds.

 

[TheGuat]

Well Im 26 pretty good looking, have a black on black 2006 S2000, alwasy shine my shoes wear my hat ever so slightly to the side, where my jacket when the temp calls for it, and as a matter of fact I do have a very nice Chase-Durer watch, hey what can say when girls see me in my uniform they can;t help but look and smile, and believe it or not a few looks & smiles have turned into some pretty interesting nights, Hey I am proud of what I do.


P.S. now when I am in the cockpit I loosen my tie and I am by no means arrogent, just try to resemble Leonarido Dicaprio in, "catch me if you can" hahaah. First impression may imply I am cocky, and this and that, but I show the utmost respect for my captains, becuase they know more than me, and I honestly like to show up to work looking professional!

 

[ASADriver]

It would take a large improvement in rigs, as well as keeping premium, and more than just a "little" increase in 50 rates. You keep saying that ALPA needs to come closer to the middle, well most of us say that the company needs to come closer to the middle. There is 1 employee group at this company that is keeping this place running and generating huge profits, and that employee group needs to be rewarded for their efforts. No, I don'lt think that we need a huge payraise, but I will NOT ACCEPT, under any circumstances, a reduction in pay, or even status quo on payrates. And like it or not, loss of premuim pay, without a good trip and duty rig, and min day, will result in a paycut for me. And I don't fly naps.

Maybe for you, but many would vote for a deal that is just a little better than what the company's last offer was. Most are willing to give up premium. Sorry if you don't agree, but remember majority rules.

 

[ASADriver]

ALPA didn't respond by lowering the payrates cause the companies offer was so lame. Why should they come down 5% when the company came up from current book so little?

Looking at the rates, the companies payrates look closer to the industry standard than ALPA's. Yes I would rather have ALPA's rates, but that isn't how this works. Bump up the 50 rates just a little, extend the longevity to 18 years and you are done on the rates. Most will vote for that.

 

[ohplease!]

It would take a large improvement in rigs, as well as keeping premium, and more than just a "little" increase in 50 rates. You keep saying that ALPA needs to come closer to the middle, well most of us say that the company needs to come closer to the middle. There is 1 employee group at this company that is keeping this place running and generating huge profits, and that employee group needs to be rewarded for their efforts. No, I don'lt think that we need a huge payraise, but I will NOT ACCEPT, under any circumstances, a reduction in pay, or even status quo on payrates. And like it or not, loss of premuim pay, without a good trip and duty rig, and min day, will result in a paycut for me. And I don't fly naps.

thats the dumbest, most self serving statement I've heard in a very long time. It ranks right up there with "this is MY airplane, you're just an FO".

 

[Scope out RJ's]

thats the dumbest, most self serving statement I've heard in a very long time. It ranks right up there with "this is MY airplane, you're just an FO".

Shouldn't you be busy kissing the hind end of management!?

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Well the bottom line is very simple it is time for both the company and ALPA to put up or shut up. I for one would like to stay gainfully employed, however I will not be subjected to a less than desireable company or contract. One of the things I would like to see is a major revamping if you will of management. Sooner or later companies will figure out if you treat your employees right they will take very good care of the company. There is no reason that we , the labor and management cannot be beneficial to ourselves and more importantly our customers. If we as a company serve a better service than our competitors we will be able to charge more thus we have a better company overall. I hope a true ASA/Skywest management individual reads this and places some stock in the fact that most of our pilot group have no trust in you anymore and the fact is very simple changes need to be made.

 

[VeeOne]

Looking at the rates, the companies payrates look closer to the industry standard than ALPA's. Yes I would rather have ALPA's rates, but that isn't how this works. Bump up the 50 rates just a little, extend the longevity to 18 years and you are done on the rates. Most will vote for that.

I couldn't agree more. However, if it's not approved by the MEC, then we don't even get to vote on it. It's already been stated that nothing will be passed out to vote that isn't up to ALPA's standard. So- maybe we get to vote before we strike and maybe we don't........

 

[HoserASA]

Maybe for you, but many would vote for a deal that is just a little better than what the company's last offer was. Most are willing to give up premium. Sorry if you don't agree, but remember majority rules.

And the majority have told the MEC and CNC what we want in the contract. So, remember, majority rules!

Hoser

 

[John Pennekamp]

get them to offer it by making moves to meet them in the middle, something that IMO ALPA isn't doing right now. Like I said before, over and over, drop the huge payraise % and drop the retirement fund that isn't worth sh!t anyway (see story after story on this subject) in exchange for "some" control over PBS, which we are going to get sooner or later, and QOL/job protection language.

Never said I had ANY inside track on anything (well, maybe scheduling ). I can look at what IS happening NOW (SLC, 70s transfered, 90s diverted) and look at past history and figure out what that light down there at the end of that tunnel is....Nothing is permanent. If you've been around as long as you claim and been through this before, then you know that. Todays boom can be tomorrows bust. I've been through Eastern and Northwest. Sticking our heads (alpa) in the sand and saying "its mgmt. using threats and intimidation" is going to lead to bad places that we don't need to go. There ARE other alternatives that can appease BOTH groups.

BTW, you and I are much more alike than you would like to ever admit. You just have to be less kneejerkreactionary and more open to objective thought. Those black helicopters are not followoing you. Trust me.:beer:

You do realize that that "huge payraise" is to BRING US UP to industry standard, then add QOL. It is about Skywest 50/70/90 plus QOL. This is why you can't look at numbers in a vacuum. If we only took a 3% raise overall, we'd still be below everyone except Mesa!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Between the last company offer and the current ALPA position, however closer to the management offer. Otherwise this will go on forever and aircraft will be transferred. If you bump up the 50 rates a little, add in a bonus, and improve the rigs a little, it will be acceptable to most. Holding out for big 70 increases, and retirement is just going to drag this out forever.

Losing 700s and 900s to Skywest will not be what is best for the majority. Why can't you see that? If you really want to do what is best for the majority, you will come of some of the over the top demands and get this done. Status quo isn't good for any ASA pilot.

I wager that the transfers will continue even if we settle. Why can't you see that?

 

[ohplease!]

You do realize that that "huge payraise" is to BRING US UP to industry standard, then add QOL. It is about Skywest 50/70/90 plus QOL. This is why you can't look at numbers in a vacuum. If we only took a 3% raise overall, we'd still be below everyone except Mesa!

what I realize is there are MANY ways to make additional $$$. Hourly rate has little to do with it in the end.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Just call it 5% with profit sharing and call it done- It's almost guaranteed money anyways. What, we lost money ONE quarter when we first started up. I'll take those odds.

5% with profit sharing would still put us about 10% below industry standard!
To achieve industry standard, we'd need about a 10% pay raise. Industry leading would be about 17%.

That's why the numbers the company are putting out are so misleading!

 

[John Pennekamp]

what I realize is there are MANY ways to make additional $$$. Hourly rate has little to do with it in the end.

You're right. And management hasn't offered us any of them. They even had the nerve to offer us a watered down version of the Skywest bonus plan that would base it on Net pay instead of Gross pay. That is a lot less what Skywest pilots get.

If they offered us word for word what Skywest pilots get, it would be about a 17% cost increase, total package. They are not going to do that, because they've already said the union's numbers at 15% are ridiculous. What they are going to do is knock us back to a 5-10% total increase, settle, then go after the Skywest pilots for a 5-10% cut after the union drive fails.