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No, it means both ALPA and the company must agree to the arbiter's contract. If neither of us agrees, then the 30 day cooling off period starts and the frantic negotiations begin.

No it means that a proffer of binding arbitration is offered to both parties. If either does not except then the process would move forward meaning the possibility of 30 day cooling off.

If both parties agree to binding arbitration, then the arbitrator will come up with an agreement and both parites are bound by it.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

No it means that a proffer of binding arbitration is offered to both parties. If either does not except then the process would move forward meaning the possibility of 30 day cooling off.

If both parties agree to binding arbitration, then the arbitrator will come up with an agreement and both parites are bound by it.

That's right... I read the email wrong the first time.

 

[asayankee]

Maybe it's just me....but I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Just because we've asked for a proffer of arbitration doesn't mean we're gonna get it. What's to stop the NMB from saying "No....we don't think tha's the best course of action.....more talks"?????

 

[homerjdispatch]

Maybe it's just me....but I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here. Just because we've asked for a proffer of arbitration doesn't mean we're gonna get it. What's to stop the NMB from saying "No....we don't think tha's the best course of action.....more talks"?????

This is more than likely what will happen. The NMB knows the motive behind ALPa asking for the proffer. They (the NMB) will not do it if they know ASA will not accept.

 

[Willy21]

This just shows that the R.L.A. is out dated. It has become politics and fails to protect the company when a Dem. is in office and the unions when a Rep. is in office. The whole point of the R.L.A. was to protect commerce while pushing hard to get a contract done so that both parties could get back to business as usual.

 

[ASADriver]

So then, Mr Company, if not undercut mesa, what figure should we land on? Tell it to us in a percentage, as in Skywest-2%? Mesa +2%? Tell us what they should settle for!

Between the last company offer and the current ALPA position, however closer to the management offer. Otherwise this will go on forever and aircraft will be transferred. If you bump up the 50 rates a little, add in a bonus, and improve the rigs a little, it will be acceptable to most. Holding out for big 70 increases, and retirement is just going to drag this out forever.

 

[ASADriver]

It's not about a few senior captains wanting retirement, or a few junior FOs getting screwed on reserve. It'a about what's best for the majority. All we seem to hear from here are the fringe special interest groups that all want their slice of the pie.

Losing 700s and 900s to Skywest will not be what is best for the majority. Why can't you see that? If you really want to do what is best for the majority, you will come of some of the over the top demands and get this done. Status quo isn't good for any ASA pilot.

 

[Willy21]

you will come of some of the over the top demands and get this done.

And you bash me for my spelling.

 

[sweptback]

This is more than likely what will happen. The NMB knows the motive behind ALPa asking for the proffer. They (the NMB) will not do it if they know ASA will not accept.

No, the NMB will not deny the proffer simply because they know ALPA will reject it. If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't say anything.

That being said, according to our MEC it is likely that the first request for proffer will be denied. That doesn't mean we can't file another once we respond to the reason why the NMB denied it.

 

[VeeOne]

One of the things that irritates me is RETRO PAY.....Every man in my family is an airline pilot, and ALL of them laugh when I bring up retro. Yea, sure we got it on the last contract- BEFORE THE LARGEST GROWTH SPURT IN COMPANY HISTORY. Also Express Jet and NetJets got it also. NetJets is in a whole different game, IMHO, and Express Jet hasn't exactly come through shining as a result. So in the words of Dr. Phil- "Yea, and hows THAT working for ya?" Is retro TRULY worth losing a job over??? Oh, and the argument that retro is needed to keep a four year contract negotiation session from happening isn't going to fly here- Should have done like Delta and every other major. Two years and walk........Plus it didn't disuade management from pulling another delayed contract in round II for our new one.

IMHO, no retro, duty rigs, and 5-7% with no Dual Qual- Scope clause a must!!!

 

[IFLYASA]

One of the things that irritates me is RETRO PAY.....Every man in my family is an airline pilot, and ALL of them laugh when I bring up retro. Yea, sure we got it on the last contract- BEFORE THE LARGEST GROWTH SPURT IN COMPANY HISTORY. Also Express Jet and NetJets got it also. NetJets is in a whole different game, IMHO, and Express Jet hasn't exactly come through shining as a result. So in the words of Dr. Phil- "Yea, and hows THAT working for ya?" Is retro TRULY worth losing a job over??? Oh, and the argument that retro is needed to keep a four year contract negotiation session from happening isn't going to fly here- Should have done like Delta and every other major. Two years and walk........Plus it didn't disuade management from pulling another delayed contract in round II for our new one.

IMHO, no retro, duty rigs, and 5-7% with no Dual Qual- Scope clause a must!!!

Simply put, if we don't get any type of retro for the hell management has put us through, I will NEVER vote on it.

 

[wms]

I'll also vote no for anything with integration days, and for anything with sec. 13 TA'd as it is.

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by fam62c
It's unfortunate, but in the modern world of the National Mediation Board (NMB) and the current political climate the ASA pilots have very little leverage. In the last few years the NMB has has decided that the intent of the Railway Labor Act was solely to prevent strikes. The traditional balance between insuring that interstate commerce is not interrupted while still allowing for the possibility that a deal may not be reached and mediation must end has been disrupted. The NMB has introduced the concept of "endless mediation." Nowdays you sit in mediation forever and if the talks aren't progressing the NMB simply puts the talks on hold and no meetings get scheduled. This is really the opposite of what the NMB is supposed to be doing; they are supposed to mediate the negotiations and push the parties hard for a deal through intense negotiations. If a deal can't be reached and mediation is not working they are supposed to release the parties to seek self-help. This additional pressure often results in deals because both parties tend to make their best efforts when faced with a work stoppage. Recently airline managements have been taught that it's no longer necessary to actually work to produce a deal because the union no longer has any credible strike threat. The management teams hold all of the cards and they know it.

The new reality for the unions is that negotiations will end when the union argees to a deal that is acceptable to the company. If this doesn't happen mediation will go on forever and there will be no possibility of release. The only way a release will happen is if the company initiates the request because it thinks it can replace striking workers and bust the union (NWA mechanics). The current administration is all about protecting corporate America and strikes are not good for corporate America. The government has the ability to make sure that unions in the airline industry can never strike so from their viewpoint; why would they possibly allow a strike to happen if it can be prevented?

If it becomes so apparent that the NMB is bias toward the company, or no real effort is being put into the negoiations, such as being parked for long periods of time...could not some type of legal action be taken? Is it possible to sue the NMB? Can RLA not be challenged in court?

If people can sue and challenge over gay marriages...surely this can be too??

Seems like this is an issue ALPA national should be doing.

 

[homerjdispatch]

No, the NMB will not deny the proffer simply because they know ALPA will reject it. If you don't know what you're talking about, you shouldn't say anything.

That being said, according to our MEC it is likely that the first request for proffer will be denied. That doesn't mean we can't file another once we respond to the reason why the NMB denied it.

Thats what I was trying to say...

 

[atrdriver]

Between the last company offer and the current ALPA position, however closer to the management offer. Otherwise this will go on forever and aircraft will be transferred. If you bump up the 50 rates a little, add in a bonus, and improve the rigs a little, it will be acceptable to most. Holding out for big 70 increases, and retirement is just going to drag this out forever.

It would take a large improvement in rigs, as well as keeping premium, and more than just a "little" increase in 50 rates. You keep saying that ALPA needs to come closer to the middle, well most of us say that the company needs to come closer to the middle. There is 1 employee group at this company that is keeping this place running and generating huge profits, and that employee group needs to be rewarded for their efforts. No, I don'lt think that we need a huge payraise, but I will NOT ACCEPT, under any circumstances, a reduction in pay, or even status quo on payrates. And like it or not, loss of premuim pay, without a good trip and duty rig, and min day, will result in a paycut for me. And I don't fly naps.