ASA closer to a strike

[SiuDude]

A proffer of arbitration has been submitted on 9/22 by ALPA.

 

[jstyle13]

Source?

 

[SiuDude]

A very senior janitor at the GO.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Captain Jan Itor.

 

[jstyle13]

Nevermind...just checked my email. Finally get this ball rolling.

 

[SiuDude]

Captain Jan Itor.

Let's just say I was on his jumpseat earlier today.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Im closer to my next bowel movement, but Ill believe it when it gets here

 

[AMANSWORLD]

A proffer of arbitration has been submitted on 9/22 by ALPA.

That would be true just got the memo from ASA MEC and ALPA national. It basically will allow a panel of 3 people to "decide" a contract and should either party choose not to accept it in comes the 30 day cooling off period. At that point "super-mediation" sessions take place and at 0001 on day 31 it is strike time. With that being said - I want to say thank you to whoever pushed this it is about time.

 

[Lolikoka]

Can someone post it?

I'm away from home and for some reason this computer won't open my web-mail to read the Connection or the link to the latest Connection on the MEC web-site. I'd appreciate someone posting it here. Thanks - I'm ready to walk.

 

[Lolikoka]

Never mind -

Never mind - I finally got it open. It's time for a contract.

 

[rjcap]

That would be true just got the memo from ASA MEC and ALPA national. It basically will allow a panel of 3 people to "decide" a contract and should either party choose not to accept it in comes the 30 day cooling off period. At that point "super-mediation" sessions take place and at 0001 on day 31 it is strike time. With that being said - I want to say thank you to whoever pushed this it is about time.

Is this binding arbitration ????

What if management accepts the offer of arbitration. How long does all that drag out ??? Another year or so ??

 

[Gummo]

That would be true just got the memo from ASA MEC and ALPA national. It basically will allow a panel of 3 people to "decide" a contract and should either party choose not to accept it in comes the 30 day cooling off period. At that point "super-mediation" sessions take place and at 0001 on day 31 it is strike time. With that being said - I want to say thank you to whoever pushed this it is about time.

Just to be clear on this point, it is a request for binding arbitration and the parties must decide if they want to enter into such arbitration, putting it into the hands of the panel. The commitment to accept the outcome of arbitration is made in advance of the arbitration board's proposal.

I can't recall an instance where an airline and its pilot group ever actually entered into binding arbitration. Can anyone help out on this?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I can't recall an instance where an airline and its pilot group ever actually entered into binding arbitration. Can anyone help out on this?

I'm not positive but I think the Alaska pilots were victims of binding arbitration. Whether the arbitration was binding or not they sure got hosed.

 

[ASARJMan]

Just to be clear on this point, it is a request for binding arbitration and the parties must decide if they want to enter into such arbitration, putting it into the hands of the panel. The commitment to accept the outcome of arbitration is made in advance of the arbitration board's proposal.

Poor ASADrivel, what will he do now. His little management job may go bye-bye now.
About time this happened. I don't anticpate ASA/ALPA agreeing to arbitration. The union will use it to get the company to finish the contract, or else the pilots will be out the door. Simple as that.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[USCtrojan]

Poor ASADrivel, what will he do now. His little management job may go bye-bye now.
About time this happened. I don't anticpate ASA/ALPA agreeing to arbitration. The union will use it to get the company to finish the contract, or else the pilots will be out the door. Simple as that.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

Will Skywest Pilots fly ASA struck work? What protections does Skywest have in assuring they will not?

Trojan

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Email from ALPA

The Connection SPECIAL
September 25, 2006 Edition

The Connection is e-mailed to you periodically by the ASA ALPA MEC and
Communications Committee to share news of our union's activities and
accomplishments.

1. A Request for Proffer
2. RFP Drama


1. A Request for Proffer

Our union leadership has taken an important step along the path toward a
contract. On Friday, September 22, Association President Captain Duane
Woerth delivered a formal request to the National Mediation Board (NMB),
asking for a proffer of arbitration on our behalf. In accordance with
provisions of the Federal Railway Labor Act, the three-member Board will
examine the information we've provided and decide whether to make an offer
of binding arbitration. If that offer of arbitration, or proffer, were to be
accepted by both ALPA and ASA management, then a disinterested party would
impose upon us a contract of their choosing. IF EITHER SIDE DECLINES THE
PROFFER, the NMB will then start the clock on a 30-day "cooling-off" period.
During that 30-day period, the NMB would probably engage both parties in
"super-mediated" contract talks, designed to hammer out a final agreement
before the 30 days have elapsed. If no contract is forthcoming at the end of
the cooling-off period, either or both parties would be released to engage
in self-help. In our case, that means we would be free to strike.

A response from the NMB will take some time, so don't lose patience. You can
be sure we'll let you know as soon as we hear back from the Board.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Will Skywest Pilots fly ASA struck work? What protections does Skywest have in assuring they will not?

Trojan

Who says Skywest cares - if they profit and grow? Some of the Skywest guys and gals on this forum do not seem to care as long as they benefit. However I am sure some also do not want to be labeled as SCABS either.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Poor ASADrivel, what will he do now. His little management job may go bye-bye now.
About time this happened. I don't anticpate ASA/ALPA agreeing to arbitration. The union will use it to get the company to finish the contract, or else the pilots will be out the door. Simple as that.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

Who are we referring to when we say ASADrivel?

 

[aussiefly]

Okay so the NMB proffers binding arbitration to both parties. Obviously its int he companies interests to string things out and not agree to it.

What happens if ASA says no to entering arbitration??? .

 

[USCtrojan]

Okay so the NMB proffers binding arbitration to both parties. Obviously its int he companies interests to string things out and not agree to it.

What happens if ASA says no to entering arbitration??? .

30 day cooling off period.......We either get a contract in those 30 days or we strike.

Trojan

 

[aussiefly]

30 day cooling off period.......We either get a contract in those 30 days or we strike.

Trojan

Ahh okay...Thanks for answering that.

cheers

 

[skywav8r]

When Comair was on strike no Skywest pilot flew struck work. Should be the same this time. By the way, our management seems to be in a real hurry to get our pay talks finished. A little bird says people up high are meeting with lowly pilots to hammer something out. Guess their feeling the crunch to get something done in the next 30 days. Time will tell. http://skywestalpa.org/
http://skywestalpa.org/
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[socony_air]

Anyone have any insight into what goes into the NMB's decision of whether or not to actually Proffer arbitration in our case?

What is the precident when one side requests a Proffer & how long is a decision likely to take?

If the NMB concedes and Proffers Arbitration, does the union have the option to then decline (like the company can) or are they bound to arbitration, since they made the original request?

How likely are we to actually have the "End Game" move forward from this request?

 

[US Flyer]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "brain trust" at the ASA general offices will not cooperate and we end up in the 30 day cooling off period.

Good for us to finally see a light at the end of the tunnel perhaps.

 

[ASACAPT]

If either party declines binding arbitration, the cooling off period comences.

 

[USCtrojan]

When Comair was on strike no Skywest pilot flew struck work. Should be the same this time. By the way, our management seems to be in a real hurry to get our pay talks finished. A little bird says people up high are meeting with lowly pilots to hammer something out. Guess their feeling the crunch to get something done in the next 30 days. Time will tell. http://skywestalpa.org/
http://skywestalpa.org/
http://skywestalpa.org/
http://skywestalpa.org/
http://skywestalpa.org/
http://skywestalpa.org/

This would be a perfect time for Skywest to Unionize. You will be afforded protections should we strike. Good luck to all. I hope this bs gets resolved so we can focus on getting people from A to B.

Trojan

 

[outtahere]

Well I am glad the time has finally come. According to another e-mail from the MEC, Alpa begins a full court press for unionization over at Skywest this week. Hey I guess Good does go around.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I wouldn't be surprised if the "brain trust" at the ASA general offices will not cooperate and we end up in the 30 day cooling off period.

Good for us to finally see a light at the end of the tunnel perhaps.

But, either way, ALPA won't accept the proffer, leading to the cooling off period..

 

[Lance Uppercut]

ASA wont strike.

SkyWest will never unionize.


Count on it!

 

[bailout]

The key here is, the arbitrator can take an indefinite time "deciding" if he wants to even offer a proffer. The letter from ALPA simply is asking him to make one. This could easily drag on for 10 more years.