ASA cancel new hire class?

[Speedtape]

Guy's and Gal's, ASA is about to be a sinking ship. If you are senior enough to be in a lifeboat on the way down, then good for you. Delta only will be shrinking with losses on the -9 fleet and at least one base closure - some of the 757's might even be gone with the introduction of a new 100 seater. Not to be the bearer of bad news, but you might need to look outside the Delta portfolio for a job..... US Air anybody? or you could be a 10 year FO at ASA.... your choice.

Your post is pretty lame, Dude! Have you heard the sky is falling?

 

[JumpersAway]

I'm expecting something to spool up with regard to our IAD op. I'm thinking the 200's there will be beer cans and the crews brought back to ATL in order to properly staff us. Meanwhile, the ExpressJet folks will be the ones to fill in the United/IAD void. I'm all for it.

Going to Compass is an idiotic move. Actually- making any sort of lateral move on the regional level, just isn't wise. Especially if it is FROM Atlantic Southeast to any sort of Hulas endeavored abortion. Seriously, this thing has been up and down so much it's mind blowing. When I got hired in 05' I was "going to be upgrading in two years"......it's now year six. All in all though, we've managed to weather the storm pretty well, if not better than most, as far as regionals go. The ride ain't over yet, so just hang in there and wait til' stuff happens to worry. We're making a mountain out of a mole hill with this rumor stuff.

Yes, we are short staffed, and no, I don't see it changing soon. Even if we upgrade a class of 20, it's going to be a no gain. I've talked to several people who are working on moving on with interviews. FedEx, Emirates, Jet Blue, Southwest- quite a few people are going to be bailing. Especially a number of our better standards folks- happy for them!

 

[Data]

Staff us properly? Come on guys, this is the new staffing model, I'm amazed that some of you actually believe this will change. It cannot change and here's why; the mainline carriers will not continue to pay guaranteed profits to regionals. Regionals will now have to fight amongst each other for the scraps and for every single flight they operate (or don't operate due to crew 'availability'). To do this they will continue to cut costs at every possible corner, including staffing. Even when they step over a dollar to save a nickel they will do this. Each of us has a million ideas where we see they could save money but they don't have the talent at the middle management level (perhaps it is a failure at the highest level as they don't see fit to hire good mid-level managers) to take advantage of this. Consolidation will continue and there will be 3 or 4 regionals each operating for a multitude of mainline partners. Each of these regionals will operate as lean as possible. Accept it, no amount of whining will change it.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Good post. Sad and true.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Good idea. But if these cutback rumors come true or even worse, the f-word starts floating around the pilot group, I think we'll see quite a few FOs jump ship to Compass. With the retirements DAL is seeing in 2014, 2015, and 2016, an ASA FO that jumps to Compass now will be in the top 30 at Compass by 2014!

No they won't.

I went to Compass in November, I'll barely be in the top 30 if all the flows go and with the DL capacity cuts, it won't be happening anytime soon.

Do you make up most of your information?

 

[Baronman]

Staff us properly? Come on guys, this is the new staffing model, I'm amazed that some of you actually believe this will change. It cannot change and here's why; the mainline carriers will not continue to pay guaranteed profits to regionals. Regionals will now have to fight amongst each other for the scraps and for every single flight they operate (or don't operate due to crew 'availability'). To do this they will continue to cut costs at every possible corner, including staffing. Even when they step over a dollar to save a nickel they will do this. Each of us has a million ideas where we see they could save money but they don't have the talent at the middle management level (perhaps it is a failure at the highest level as they don't see fit to hire good mid-level managers) to take advantage of this. Consolidation will continue and there will be 3 or 4 regionals each operating for a multitude of mainline partners. Each of these regionals will operate as lean as possible. Accept it, no amount of whining will change it.

This all sounds good but I guess Colgan/PNCL/Mesaba management didn't get the memo. Didn't they just agree to a more costly contract? Not quite "cutting costs at every possible corner." ASA management take note.

 

[cbrown1]

How long was your ual contract for?

 

[Data]

This all sounds good but I guess Colgan/PNCL/Mesaba management didn't get the memo. Didn't they just agree to a more costly contract? Not quite "cutting costs at every possible corner." ASA management take note.

They've worked under these conditions for years, their average employee sticks around for about 6 or 7 years. ASA has too many lifers and *had* a much better quality of life, you're comparing Apples and Oranges.

 

[COOPERVANE]

It's all part of the plan to get rid of the lifers

 

[twobits]

yes, the sky is falling at ASA... but don't take my word for it.

 

[cbrown1]

At asa it seems to be either "We're going to furlough and lose half our fleet" or "we're getting 40 more planes and hiring 600 next year"

 

[ratherbeflyen]

At asa it seems to be either "We're going to furlough and lose half our fleet" or "we're getting 40 more planes and hiring 600 next year"

That pretty well covers it all. The only thing that I can guarantee you is the current snapshot of this industry will be different in five years from now.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

ASA appears to be in a position to hire now more than to furlough now. Booking more crj200 sims in ATL, hiring more check airmen, and the company publicly acknowledging they are concerned over the lack of qualified candidates to hire in the short term and the long term...

 

[Jetjockey]

Where's Joe when you need him????

 

[LazyLightnin']

Where's Joe when you need him????

Need him for what?