ASA, ATL Domicile Vacancies Expected Soon

[FixNFly]

For the winter that’s fine but it is an indicator that it could bring a world of hurt for the summer schedule. PBS will solve that problem. Most line holders will be awarded the minimum number of days off. Problem solved.

Even if PBS is passed (not guaranteed) it won't go "live" until the Fall. You forget there will be 6 months of concurrent bidding. The vote won't end until March and PBS will go "live" in Aug./Sept.

So PBS WON'T solve the staffing issues this Summer.

 

[sayrejm]

Concur. This is the best summary of the thread.


Having read both of the LOAs (this took a while), I'm still not certain which way I'm going to vote. I'm leaning towards a yes in much the same way as I usually get a flu shot every year: a little pain now for the better chance at the future.

The best thing that will happen to ASA, and others, will be December of 2012.

you mean the best thing that will happen is the world is going to end?

 

[sunlitpath]

Any projections beyond 3 months have proven to be inaccurate and unreliable. These line projections are flat, month after month. I'm not buying it. Management projected COMAs available month after month, starting last October. It never happened.

 

[777forever]

Hold up, there are going to be 28 and 29 lines in IAD in March and Apr when there are 30 crews?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Today is Thursday. The CR7 captain reserve bucket for this Sunday is empty, and this is the slow season. I expect a few line holders will miss the playoff games when they are extended, and perhaps a few flights will be cancelled. We'll see what happens.

Don't worry. The company will offer 150% pickup and there will be no shortage of people to help out....unfortunately.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

PBS will solve that problem. Most line holders will be awarded the minimum number of days off. Problem solved.

Yep, that is exactly why PBS is gonna work well for the company and no one else. Talk with anyone who uses it. Most are doing minimum days off which is all the company has to give you. The company pulls the strings on the other end of PBS. If they need to cover trips, the PBS system will hand them out right down to 10 days off. No more 15 days off schedules that we're all used to seeing.

 

[OCP]

Yep, that is exactly why PBS is gonna work well for the company and no one else. Talk with anyone who uses it. Most are doing minimum days off which is all the company has to give you. The company pulls the strings on the other end of PBS. If they need to cover trips, the PBS system will hand them out right down to 10 days off. No more 15 days off schedules that we're all used to seeing.

What if the system gave you 4 4 day trips for the month?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Depends. If the top 50 guys are working 10 days a month and everyone else 18 or 20, then no. That's a huge step back from where we are now. Unfortunately, it will be an unknown until it's too late.

 

[Abernathy]

So we just now went from 6 CR7 FO vacancies to 20 in this latest projection.

 

[LazyLightnin']

So we just now went from 6 CR7 FO vacancies to 20 in this latest projection.

I know, right?! What the hell is up with these guys? Give us the numbers and stick with them! All of this vacancy/displacement crap is not fun and it helps if you give us accurate information. That Brian M. dude with his "Corky" from "life goes on" look and shoddy administrative abilities really grind my gears.

 

[ASApuppy]

So we just now went from 6 CR7 FO vacancies to 20 in this latest projection.

Not exactly. This is the first run with the "Displacements" in it. Read yesterdays memo. Yes there will be 20 new FO's to the 70, but there will also be 13 currently sitting 70 Fo's that are going elsewhere. This is more or less a giant reshuffle. Kinda opposite of what the brain trust (CT,and SH) did last fall when they kicked people off the 70. Lots of training cycles. Every time they shag with it, the 70 list gets more senior, i.e more expensive, too. Great efficiency there boys.

 

[SLUF4]

why even put out the "projection" last week without the displacements? pretty much a BS document

 

[Abernathy]

Not exactly. This is the first run with the "Displacements" in it. Read yesterdays memo. Yes there will be 20 new FO's to the 70, but there will also be 13 currently sitting 70 Fo's that are going elsewhere. This is more or less a giant reshuffle. Kinda opposite of what the brain trust (CT,and SH) did last fall when they kicked people off the 70. Lots of training cycles. Every time they shag with it, the 70 list gets more senior, i.e more expensive, too. Great efficiency there boys.

So it's basically just the big picture when everyone's done moving around then..

 

[crj567]

It is also a lot cheaper for the company to extend everyone up to your maxes than it is to hire or recal ppl. When it finally gets more expensive to do so, is when you will see them recall.
It takes about 30K in assignments to break even on recalling one person. I bet you are getting close, but not close enough.

This post is a perfect example of why I think ACL is such a tool. Of course he has the "inside track" the "down low" the "just between us" of DAL, but apparently he thinks he knows these numbers concerning even lowly regional trash.

-What a complete toolshed.

P.S.- ACL-no one gives half a crap what you think-especially about something like this.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Hold up, there are going to be 28 and 29 lines in IAD in March and Apr when there are 30 crews?

I've been looking into IAD and talking to a few different people. Expect 22-23 lines in IAD until May, then there will be around 44-45. Also, don't expect many reserve conversion lines, maybe 1. Reserves will probably be early am and afternoon shifts, don't expect any nap reserve. IAD ain't ATL and don't expect all the "frills" ATL has (like tons of open time to swap and I'm also willing to bet there will be plenty of red arrow days up there too). Also they will try to make lines commutable but there will be a lot of 7am duty ins and 9pm duty outs due to IAD's banks of flights.