ASA AQP--- if you know the scenarios, please PM me

[enuffalready]

ASA AQP--- if you know the scenarios, please PM me

 

[N4niner206]

All of these questions about AQP posted on here...Don't you guys talk to each other online at all???

 

[Mickey Mouse]

All of these questions about AQP posted on here...Don't you guys talk to each other online at all???

No, we don't talk on the all-male chat rooms. We have families and stuff to tend to. How about you post them or shut up. We want to be prepared for training and perform well, just like all the pilots who get the scenarios from their friends or family in the training department. The company should actually train all potential abnormalities that may occur on any LOE scenario. That is proper flight training. Until they train the scenarios or make them available to the pilot group, we will play this unnecessary game of fishing for information; especially the pilots who have AQP in January, when the scenarios are not well known. Last year, there were a few abnormalities in the AQP session that were never trained, for example, stuck throttle. Instead of watching the crew fumble around the QRH for 20 minutes and screw it up, it would be more efficient to learning to teach the optimal procedures before presenting the condition. By the way, this forum is online, Jackass

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I wish someone had the balls to post them on this thread. If I get them, I will do it. I am still a Certified Flight Instructor. It's a professional obligation to my brethren.

 

[Clutch]

I think he meant "on the line" but in his extremely limited wisdom he typed "online".

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I think he meant "on the line" but in his extremely limited wisdom he typed "online".

I appreciate the translation. Even if it was meant in the context of "on the line", that is a limited pool of individuals to get AQP gouge information from, especially for pilots who only do naps and such. Those pilots may only interact with 3 other dudes or gals per month. The gouge needs to be disseminated more evenly and equitably. If the LOE AQP training event was not a jeopardy event, then I wouldn't care, but since it is, it needs to be approached and administered correctly and fairly. The company provides oral exam guides on the company website, and the old proficiency checks were common knowledge. This new AQP event should not be any different. I don't see the value in experimenting with pilot evaluations, particularly when the playing field is not level.

 

[Medeco]

Talk to the folks in your RGT class.

 

[ohplease!]

So, you want to "practice" an "emergency" so you'll "perform well" handling an emergency that you've "practiced" to see if you'd actually "perform well" when you are required to handle an ACTUAL emergency that arises unexpectedly and suddenly with your life and 52 (at least) others possibly hanging on the successful outcome of the way you handle something you have not "practiced"?

Sounds like a really solid plan...

 

[say again]

So, you want to "practice" an "emergency" so you'll "perform well" handling an emergency that you've "practiced" to see if you'd actually "perform well" when you are required to handle an ACTUAL emergency that arises unexpectedly and suddenly with your life and 52 (at least) others possibly hanging on the successful outcome of the way you handle something you have not "practiced"?

Sounds like a really solid plan...

:beer:

 

[Mickey Mouse]

So, you want to "practice" an "emergency" so you'll "perform well" handling an emergency that you've "practiced" to see if you'd actually "perform well" when you are required to handle an ACTUAL emergency that arises unexpectedly and suddenly with your life and 52 (at least) others possibly hanging on the successful outcome of the way you handle something you have not "practiced"?

Sounds like a really solid plan...

Precisely. Emergencies and scenarios that an airmen is familiar with and well practiced and trained for will have more favorable outcomes during actual passenger service. That's why we train engine fires, engine failures, and smoke events, as well as other abnormalities. Presenting novel and unfamiliar abnormalities during a simulator testing session is a hit and miss evaluation. It's not optimal training in a $600 an hour simulator. Furthermore, pilots who have had the luxury of being briefed and informed of the AQP scenarios will perform differently than pilots who have not been informed. This fact alone invalidates the entire evaluation of the airmen's reaction the the AQP abnormality or "Threat Condition", because some pilots know what's coming and the others do not. Therefore, the training department should train or at least provide a briefing of all potential abnormalities for the AQP scenarios in the interest of an accurate evaluation of the pilot group, and also to facilitate a more comprehensive understanding of the abnormality or threat and an optimal pilot response.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

In other words, you can't evaluate a pilot's reaction to an "unexpected emergency", when half of them are expecting it and the other half are not expecting it. Also, the pilots who know and expect the specific AQP abnormalities have also been informed of the instructors preferences for handling the abnormality.

 

[say again]

You should expect that anything can happen. If it's in the checklist, it can happen. And other scenarios that you are trained for. ie windshear, should also be expected. There shouldn't be any "unexpected emergencies", they should be a surprise.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

You should expect that anything can happen. If it's in the checklist, it can happen. And other scenarios that you are trained for. ie windshear, should also be expected. There shouldn't be any "unexpected emergencies", they should be a surprise.

I think you are missing the point, completely.

 

[say again]

I think you are missing the point, completely.

No, I'm not at all.

 

[777forever]

I like not knowing what's coming. It's more fun that way and you learn a lot more.

Sent from my HTC One X+ using Tapatalk 2

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Yes, you are. You are merely stating the intention of the AQP program and it's evaluation objective. That is fine, if it were a valid program administered without prior knowledge of the specific abnormalities that were impending. However, that is not the reality of the program. Last year, toward the end of the year, I observed a gradual universal awareness among the pilot group of all four of the AQP scenarios, whereas earlier in the year (2012) the awareness of the AQP gouge was very sporadic. Many pilots early in the year went into the simulator not knowing the abnormalities. This fact alone invalidates the evaluation of pilots who had no prior knowledge of the abnormalities. I have no problem with evaluating pilots on their handling of "unexpected" emergencies and abnormalities. The problem is that some pilots know what to expect and others do not. Some pilots know the AQP scenarios because they have friends or family in the training department, some know them because they have a network of other pilots who have shared their training sessions and they have compiled a gouge. Other pilots do not have any AQP gouge. The reasons are varied. They may be new to the company. They may not have any established network. They may have AQP in January, when there is no compiled gouge (except for people with friends or family in training department). This fact invalidates the validity of pilot evaluations for AQP abnormalities. The intentions of the AQP program are noble, but the administration is severely flawed. If even one pilot knows the "unexpected event", then everyone should know, and the training department should facilitate that process. Now let's post some fk'n gouge.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

I like not knowing what's coming. It's more fun that way and you learn a lot more.

Sent from my HTC One X+ using Tapatalk 2

Are we talking about sex or AQP

 

[ohplease!]

In other words, you can't evaluate a pilot's reaction to an "unexpected emergency", when half of them are expecting it and the other half are not expecting it. Also, the pilots who know and expect the specific AQP abnormalities have also been informed of the instructors preferences for handling the abnormality.

Actually, you can't evaluate a pilot groups reaction to an emergency when they know its coming, know what's coming and have practiced how to handle it. That's like handing out the answer key to the final prior to exam day. EVERYONE should make a 100 and the "weak links" would not be detected and strengthened properly (i.e. retrained) before going on line and flying your family or mine around the countryside.

If you're so worried about failing a check ride, get the ******************** out of this game because even YOU know you're not up to standards. There are no tricks here. Nobody is trying to fail you. Go to"school"and take the opportunity to learn and find out where your weaknesses are (if you have any...most of us have some) and work on that area to get better.

The entire traveling public will be better for it.

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Actually, you can't evaluate a pilot groups reaction to an emergency when they know its coming, know what's coming and have practiced how to handle it. That's like handing out the answer key to the final prior to exam day. EVERYONE should make a 100 and the "weak links" would not be detected and strengthened properly (i.e. retrained) before going on line and flying your family or mine around the countryside.

If you're so worried about failing a check ride, get the ******************** out of this game because even YOU know you're not up to standards. There are no tricks here. Nobody is trying to fail you. Go to"school"and take the opportunity to learn and find out where your weaknesses are (if you have any...most of us have some) and work on that area to get better.

The entire traveling public will be better for it.

Yawn......................

 

[Mickey Mouse]

Oh Please,

Let me ask you. Honestly, did you know some the AQP gouge last year? What month did have it?