ASA and glass time?

[ASA_Aviator]

Spoken like a true elitist IP.

No, my job is to get the people safely from point A to B, while complying with all applicable rules & regulations, and offering an acceptable level of customer service.

It is THE FO's JOB to model himself or herself after the captains they feel do well, to reject the business model of the captains they feel don't, and learn how to one day be a good captain. The captain should offer guidance and feedback in this quest.

Is not the captain's job to teach basic airmanship to a low time pilot. That is an excuse cooked up by management to justify hiring low timers, and the training department to excuse their ineptitude in training them. A part 121 regional airline is not the place to learn how to fly, though that is what it has become. Gone are the days when got yourself "truly proficient through experience" either flight instructing or flying a "grand caravan, single pilot" running freight or charters. Now the burden has fallen on the airlines for that.

Guess what? A lack of planning by the RAA does not constitute an emergency on my part. If the airlines hadn't eroded the profession to the point that nobody wants to be in it, they wouldn't be in the hiring situation they are now where they can't get good quality applicants.

If they want to hire crap, rubber stamp their foreheads in training (at minimum cost, mind you), then send them to me and tell me to teach them to fly, then they better start paying me LCA pay. Or they could improve the pay and working conditions so that more people will again want to become an airline pilot. But don't hand the burden of dealing with the problem to the captains currently flying.

Read some Bob Buck books, and you'll see that it has always been the job of the captain to instruct the new FOs. Get off of your high horse, and do some work.

We have to accept, as pilots, that the market is yielding a certain type of FO. If we aren't receptive to them, then we'll end up parking airplanes. It is just a fact that those out there on the market are not as qualified as in the past.

And, for the record, I am not an IP. I'm a realist who understands that the training department cannot get a 500 hour pilot up to the level of experience that ASA's captains are used to. It would take literally a couple of months of being on IOE to get someone up to that level.

So the next time you fly with one of these new guys, cut them some slack, and help them out. If they have a bad attitude, take them down a couple of notches...that's fine.

 

[HoserASA]

Well, here is my take from a low-timers' perspective.

I replied I didn't want to be a sell-out that all my captains hated, and they told me "if its not you, its gonna be someone else."

I do not want to be a burden in the cockpit,

So if I have to be a 300 hour FO to not fall behind, I will try to be the best 300 hour FO that anyone flies with.

Don't read too much into what you read on boards like this one. And don't be concerned about being a "sellout". Take advantage of the times and just do it.Those who bitch about it on here would do it too if they were in your position.

As long as you maintain a good attitude, ask for additional help if you want and/or need it, accept criticism, and come prepared during training, and out on line for that matter, you'll be fine.

You will have to fly with some Capts who won't be helpful, but most will be. ASA's training department and IPs are top notch, and will bend over backwards for you as long as you do the forementioned things. Good luck.

Hoser

 

[PCL_128]

Read some Bob Buck books, and you'll see that it has always been the job of the captain to instruct the new FOs. Get off of your high horse, and do some work.

Good post.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I replied I didn't want to be a sell-out that all my captains hated, and they told me "if its not you, its gonna be someone else."

Don't worry about what other people think. Making a decision on that isn't very smart.

 

[rumrnr78]

g-code- I think you are spot on with your attitude! And, because of your attitude, I would encourage you to take advantage of the regional offers with low time.
You have not presented an "entitlement attitude" nor have you inquired about buying a job like PCL_; who now tries to cover his tracks by trashing the very company who hired and paid him even though he bought his job at GIA like a true scumbag.
Sorry, this post is about you, the times have changed, be humble, honest and go for your dreams. No one can fault you for taking advantage of the industry as long as you keep that attitude and your perspective. Cheers- rum