ASA ALPA message makes me wonder?

[ohplease!]

Oh please! It's Delta's flying, period. I may or may not be safe, that's not the debate. If I'm not safe then that just hurts every regional pilot out there who wants to move up to a major. Shouldn't we be striving to increase mainline flying to create more mainline jobs so others have the chance to move up? Or, do you think most regional pilots are content being at a regional for life?(or at least spending less time at a major, therefore hurting future QOL and potential career earnings).

You're right, Delta/NWA does not care about us, that should be why we have ALPA. But the infighting is doing more harm than good at the moment, hopefully that will change. Only time will tell. But, don't confuse your flying with, what actually is, Delta's flying given to you. Who owns and sells the seats? Not ASA.

ALPA doesn't give a damn about you either.

You are the confused one. I know NONE of this flying belongs to ANY of us. Any and all could be taken away at the whim (not really a whim, actually very calculated by the only ones who stand to make any real money from any of this).

You and these other "mainline fools" who think you have ANY control are laughable. At best.

But hey, don't let me rain on your parade. Keep riding that high horse down the road thumbing your nose at anyone not at a major or not at the major for whom you toil. One word of advice though; watch out where you're going. That low hanging limb you can't see with your nose so far up in the air is going to hurt when it smacks you under the chin.

 

[MJ42]

ALPA doesn't give a damn about you either. Yeah, what a pity. I guess you are just throwing money away by paying your dues. Would you rather see things remain status quo or attempt to change things for the better? Keep bitchin while others try to improve the profession, such a smug attitude!

You are the confused one. I know NONE of this flying belongs to ANY of us. Any and all could be taken away at the whim (not really a whim, actually very calculated by the only ones who stand to make any real money from any of this).Wrong, DAL owns DAL flying, NWA owns NWA flying. You seem to be the confused one . Yes, it could be taken away...if either company goes out of business. But both companies choose to either increase or decrease THEIR flying as warranted.

You and these other "mainline fools" who think you have ANY control are laughable. At best.Never said I have any control you "mainline wannabe fool" Keep spinning my words.

But hey, don't let me rain on your parade. Keep riding that high horse down the road thumbing your nose at anyone not at a major or not at the major for whom you toil. One word of advice though; watch out where you're going. That low hanging limb you can't see with your nose so far up in the air is going to hurt when it smacks you under the chin.

I came from a regional, fool. I worked my ass off to get to where I'm at, which included flight instructing, 135 night freight and turboprop and RJ flying at 2 regional(and a furlough after 9/11). I remember where I came from and want to help those who come after me. What a bad attitude you have!

 

[Medeco]

I hope it was just a poor choice of words but...Since when is it your flying? It's Delta's flying that was given to you. Hopefully poor scope will be changed if Delta/NWA ever get on the same page

Since you hope that the merger will change the scope back , and you came from two regionals, seems like your not too concerned about any job loss that would result at the regional level.

I'd say the bad attitude exist with you too?

Let me get this straight, your now at NWA, so regionals should no longer have what they do now?

Medeco

 

[MJ42]

Since you hope that the merger will change the scope back , and you came from two regionals, seems like your not too concerned about any job loss that would result at the regional level.Wrong, I don't want anyone to lose their job. I've been there and know how it feels!

I'd say the bad attitude exist with you too? Really, read below...

Let me get this straight, your now at NWA, so regionals should no longer have what they do now?Nope, not what I said. I'd love to see flow ups actually work. I'd like to see more mainline jobs so regional pilots can move up. I'd like to see regional flying go back to turboprops. I'd like to see "regional feed" be regional, small cities flying to hubs to support mainline flying.

You and I both know this isn't going to happen, but growing regionals is not the answer. It makes people stay at regionals longer, that's not good for pilots who want to move up.

Medeco

When will pilots (mainline and regionals) stop shooting themselves in the foot?

 

[JoeMerchant]

When will pilots (mainline and regionals) stop shooting themselves in the foot?

...your one of those firing those shots into the feet...On another thread you are shooting down the idea of a national list...Now you want to return "regional" flying to "what it was".....Why do we even have "regional" flying? At one time there was no such thing....The mainlines did it with the "prop" planes...You are falling into the exact trap that got us into this mess....You are trying to define "regional" and "mainline" flying....What happened to "airline" flying?

Just out of curiousity....can you tell us which two regionals you flew for and what freight job you had?

 

[Speedtape]

I just read the MEC message and it sounds a little depressing. Does anyone have additional info on what was behind this message?

I just read it too. It looks like page filler to me. The writer and the message really says nothing. Most of the Delta pilots still don't know what's going on yet, so how would the ASA MEC?

Read it again! It says only the obvious, what anyone who has been reading a newspaper the last couple of weeks would know! It would be my guess that it was slow in the MEC office last week and someone was tasked to write something to put in the connection--500 words or less! It appears to have the MEC Chair's writing style.

ASA is safe with the FFD contract, improving performance, and the fact that ASA is in Atlanta! Cheer up! You don't have anything to worry about for another 12 years or so!

 

[MJ42]

...your one of those firing those shots into the feet...On another thread you are shooting down the idea of a national list...Now you want to return "regional" flying to "what it was".....Why do we even have "regional" flying? At one time there was no such thing....The mainlines did it with the "prop" planes...You are falling into the exact trap that got us into this mess....You are trying to define "regional" and "mainline" flying....What happened to "airline" flying?

Just out of curiousity....can you tell us which two regionals you flew for and what freight job you had?

Re read the other thread. I didn't shoot down a national list, just the proposed suggestion on how to develop the list. Then, I gave my own opinion on how it could be developed. You're right, it should be airline flying. How do we get to that point? I don't think it's by expanding regionals.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Shouldn't we be striving to increase mainline flying to create more mainline jobs so others have the chance to move up? Or, do you think most regional pilots are content being at a regional for life?(or at least spending less time at a major, therefore hurting future QOL and potential career earnings).

You make the assumption that all regional pilots want to go to a major. Just the other day I was standing next to someone that made a comment like, "Since all of us here want to be 777 captains someday..."

Speak for yourself. I don't want to be pulling gear for the next decade, only to start at the bottom of the CA list at that time.

Anyway, I understand that most people want to move on, but not everyone does, and it is a choice that we all have to make. I, personally, like that there are different levels of jobs in the industry, each with the pros and cons. The regionals offer relatively quick movement to the left seat, on nice equipment, and decent salaries (well, salaries twice and three times the national average are decent).

 

[JoeMerchant]

You make the assumption that all regional pilots want to go to a major. Just the other day I was standing next to someone that made a comment like, "Since all of us here want to be 777 captains someday..."

Speak for yourself. I don't want to be pulling gear for the next decade, only to start at the bottom of the CA list at that time.

Anyway, I understand that most people want to move on, but not everyone does, and it is a choice that we all have to make. I, personally, like that there are different levels of jobs in the industry, each with the pros and cons. The regionals offer relatively quick movement to the left seat, on nice equipment, and decent salaries (well, salaries twice and three times the national average are decent).

Exactly.....I bet we make more than MJ42 and have more time off....yet his vision is to allow us the "privledge" of "flowing up" to the bottom of his list...I'll take a pass....I'm not going to the bottom of another list in this business.....

It would behoove us to work together on scope...but don't assume that all of us have a burning desire to be a Delta or NWA newhire....I don't have an application on file at either....

 

[johnpeace]

It would behoove us to work together on scope...but don't assume that all of us have a burning desire to be a Delta or NWA newhire....I don't have an application on file at either....

Me either.

More domestic flying by 'regional' ('national' or 'codeshare' is more like it) airlines like mine would be the best thing this industry could do for me.

 

[MJ42]

Exactly.....I bet we make more than MJ42 and have more time off....yet his vision is to allow us the "privledge" of "flowing up" to the bottom of his list...I'll take a pass....I'm not going to the bottom of another list in this business.....

It would behoove us to work together on scope...but don't assume that all of us have a burning desire to be a Delta or NWA newhire....I don't have an application on file at either....

Looks like you guys are reading too much into my posts. I presume a majority(not all) want to move to a major some day. Do you disagree? We all have different goals in career progression, the one common goal we should have is to improve the profession by better pay, QOL and other contract improvements.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Looks like you guys are reading too much into my posts. I presume a majority(not all) want to move to a major some day. Do you disagree? We all have different goals in career progression, the one common goal we should have is to improve the profession by better pay, QOL and other contract improvements.

The "moving to the majors" is becoming a huge pyramid scheme....It could give Amway a run.....

The top of the pyramid is getting smaller and providing less return with each downturn....But it is in your best interest to convince me to continue in the pyramid scheme.....

At one time I was going to get to the top of the pyramid....but now I realise it was a scam.....

How would your utopian view deal with those of us who have settled on a career here at the regionals? Work with us and we will work with you....dictate to us and we can derail anything your side tries.....

 

[MJ42]

Me either.

More domestic flying by 'regional' ('national' or 'codeshare' is more like it) airlines like mine would be the best thing this industry could do for me.

One of the most selfish statements I've read on FI. Ask your coworkers if their goal is to stay at a regional, as I stated above, a majority(not all) would probably prefer to someday fly at a major. Your way of thinking would drastically hurt others career progression who have bigger goals. More regional flying =less major flying=more time spent a regional for those who want to move on. It's great if you're happy at your current job, that's what we should be striving for, but don't ruin it for others who have different goals.

Anyway, by your profile it looks like you've only been in this industry a short time. Get back to me after you have a few years under your belt because unlike Joe and the others responding to my posts you ain't seen nothin yet in your short aviation career.

 

[MJ42]

The "moving to the majors" is becoming a huge pyramid scheme....It could give Amway a run.....

The top of the pyramid is getting smaller and providing less return with each downturn....But it is in your best interest to convince me to continue in the pyramid scheme.....

At one time I was going to get to the top of the pyramid....but now I realise it was a scam.....

How would your utopian view deal with those of us who have settled on a career here at the regionals? Work with us and we will work with you....dictate to us and we can derail anything your side tries.....

Now see Joe, there you go again. It's not us vs you. It's us working together to better the profession for EVERYONE no matter what their career goals are!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Now see Joe, there you go again. It's not us vs you. It's us working together to better the profession for EVERYONE no matter what their career goals are!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

How could you type that with a straight face....Have you been reading anything here...???

Again.....I ask....how do us career regional folks making 6 figures with good schedules fit into your view of things.....??