ASA, Air Willy or CoEx????

[Jungle Prop]

Don't listen to Fins, he always thinks the world is caving in. ASA is by no means the best regional. But most regionals are all the same, they are and always will be regionals. Our pay is below Comairs, but our contract has also been expired three years. Sheduling sucks, no way around it. But once you get off first year pay and off reserve, life isnt too bad for a new hire. I love how the guys that have been here ten years complain about how crappy it is, yet their the guys you talk to in the crew lounge who don't have any apps out anywhere and dont want to leave because it would be a paycut initially. They make 70 grand and don't look any further down the road. The most important factor would be an airline with a base you want to live at. Right now CHQ and COEX look the best, but who knows down the road. ASA will be a pretty good job once we get a new contract with better work rules. I've worked at other crappy airlines with no contract and work rules and find it amusing when people who dont know any better compalin about regionals. It is what it is.

 

[FlyinPiker]

Don't gamble with you're career man, come to AWAC. I believe we are in the running for the best airline on the planet. We have 70 jet powered 1900's getting ready to DOMINATE the east coast, and we're currently buying as many 146's as we can find to open a large west coast market. With all this growth about to occur, upgrades will surely run around the 6 month mark. Come join our little party bud.

Have you ever worked at Air Wisconsin............?

yea man....but that's nuthin...

Have you ever worked at Air Wisconsin........ON WEED!!

 

[sweptback]

Don't listen to Fins, he always thinks the world is caving in. ASA is by no means the best regional. But most regionals are all the same, they are and always will be regionals. Our pay is below Comairs, but our contract has also been expired three years. Sheduling sucks, no way around it. But once you get off first year pay and off reserve, life isnt too bad for a new hire. I love how the guys that have been here ten years complain about how shootty it is, yet their the guys you talk to who don't have any apps out anywhere and dont want to leave because it would be a paycut initially. They make 70 grand and don't look any further down the road. The most important factor would be an airline with a base you want to live at. Right now CHQ and COEX look the best, but who knows down the road. ASA will be a pretty good job once we get a new contract with better work rukes. Ive worked at other shoottier airlines with no contract and work rules and find it amusing when people who dont know any better compalin about regionals. It is what it is.

That is very true. Most of the people that are vocal about complaining about their particular airline have not worked for others in the regional industry. Those that have worked for multiple airlines know that the crap happens at every airiline and not just the one they're presently at.

 

[Tram]

It also seems the same people complain about the same stuff, over and over and over..

 

[jehtplane]

It all depends on your expectations. The first year I was here I got transferred to DFW against my will, was paying for two houses, sitting around bored on reserve, flying naps in the E120, getting junior manned when I was 1,000 miles away from base for .98 hours of block time and made $12,200 for the year. The strange thing is - I was happy because I was flying airplanes. Those are the shoes Doo Doo Brown and FS World (short for Flight Simulator?) are apparently in. They are happy because they are "airline pilots."

Now I make 5 times that amount and hold schedules as a CA in my chosen domicile. But I get mad when the phone rings at 02:30 several times a month on my off days (plus every holiday) to junior man me. I get mad that Crew Scheduling uses a calling card and tells my children "it is one of your daddy's friends," tricking them on the phone. I get mad that our Company has an ASAP program to report pilots to the FAA (which starts certificate action) while denying pilots an ASAP program without negotiating it into the contract. I get mad that crew scheduling can run you up to 02: 00 into your off day and not compensate you and can junior man you without regard for seniority (ever day off is a day of reserve at time and a half at this airline) You think you can drink a beer on your day off - think again. They junior manned a friend of mine and assigned him a trip while he was int he middle of a lake in a Bass boat holding a beer in one hand and a pole in the other. And yes he got a trip failure / occurrence when he no show'd despite the fact he was physiologically incapable of operating the airplane.

A slave is someone who has no control of their schedule or their life. We are slaves.

Another friend of mine was driving home to be with his dying mother. He was junior manned and threatened. He turned down the assignment. His mother died. ASA fired him. That is the sort of airline this is.

A professional pilot is someone who asks how much a job pays before asking what kind of airpane they will be flying. Over the years you realize that this is a profession and you begin to want to be treated like a professional. ASA would prefer that you left the Company when you reach that point in your professional life. Our current president put the number at 5 and 1/2 years, which is about right.

In balance some corporate / 135 jobs are like ASA. You have an boss who holds your Certificate out to the FAA every time he screws up and you have no control over your schedule. If you like that sort of thing, could use the excercise picketing, and like to stand around a barrell burning wood with your union buddies this winter - welcome aboard. Just don't expect much.

Dude, do we work at the same airline? That really sucks if this stuff has happened to you and I would assume that the union got your buddy his job back, if not then their may have been some other circumstances with him that you may not know about, two sides to every story. Screw scheduling is definitely guilty of doing some ridiculous things, that is what our union is for, to resolve occurences and wrongful terminations. Personally anytime I have been jr manned, it was because I was the most junior person available, and I did the research to make sure. I am sure that there have been instances where the company went out of senoirity order, but what is to say the did not try contacting that person and they did not answer the phone, so they move to the next person. there have been quite a few changes in management over the past several days, and it has been ALL for the better. I personally have not experienced any of these scenarios mentioned above and it is unfortunate if that is exactly how things went down, but like I said two sides to every story. I think that Skywest is going to try and make us a better airline both operationally and with the employee groups. ASA has the potential to be a great company, hopefully the steps taken in recent days are in the right direction, only time will tell. As for which airline to go too, it's a crapshoot, who knows, upgrades at airlines change like the wind, unfortunately right now we are all at the mercy of our mainline partners, and everyone is in panic mode, so which airline to go too, I would stay close to home. One more thing, why get mad when crew scheduling calls at those hours, I would laugh and not answer the phone.

 

[Tram]

One more thing, why get mad when crew scheduling calls at those hours, I would laugh and not answer the phone.

Yeh, I remember as a kid... we didn't answer the phone and if we did answer the phone, when they asked for "daddy" he was often not at home...

 

[XJETDriver]

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[coolyokeluke]

or do you like latinas?

 

[atlcrashpad]

ASA no too Bad

I agree with Jungle Prop. You get a lot of complainers that do nothing but complain. If you can survive first yr pay and reserve, you have it made. I like where I work. Although I'm currently serving with Uncle Sugar, I look forward to returning to the Ole RJ and "Hot-Lanta".

It is all what you make of it. Grass may seem greener, but if you water your lawn you'll have green grass too. Sounds corny but it makes sense. You get out of it what you put into it.

Good luck and never turn down an interview. Seniority is everything.

Title should read: ASA not too bad. I missed the mistake.

 

[Tram]

Yeh, seems like it's just like the rest of life, it's all about what you put into something...

 

[fsworld]

I might be a junior guy here but i though you didnt have to answer your phone unless you were on reserve? Not sure how its crew schedulings fault that you were stupid enough to answer the phone at 2am.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Scheduling

If you're not on reserve, you do not have to answer your phone. It is a good idea to invest in "Caller ID". I got caught off guard several times. I now have my kids answer the phone and say "Daddy is not here can I take a message?".

It is not "Crew Schedulings" fault to begin with. It is the Company and what they allow the Managers to do in order to keep the fleet flying. Remember, a scheduler is just an employee doing his/her job keeping aircraft crewed. It is the Manager/Supervisor that teaches them the fine art of socking it to the flight crews. The schedulers are taught that aircrews make $65.00 per hr, work 40 hrs per week and still want 17 days off a month. "So, sock it to those money grubing bastards anytime you can".

 

[bobbyice]

It all depends on your expectations. The first year I was here I got transferred to DFW against my will, was paying for two houses, sitting around bored on reserve, flying naps in the E120, getting junior manned when I was 1,000 miles away from base for .98 hours of block time and made $12,200 for the year. The strange thing is - I was happy because I was flying airplanes. Those are the shoes Doo Doo Brown and FS World (short for Flight Simulator?) are apparently in. They are happy because they are "airline pilots."

Now I make 5 times that amount and hold schedules as a CA in my chosen domicile. But I get mad when the phone rings at 02:30 several times a month on my off days (plus every holiday) to junior man me. I get mad that Crew Scheduling uses a calling card and tells my children "it is one of your daddy's friends," tricking them on the phone. I get mad that our Company has an ASAP program to report pilots to the FAA (which starts certificate action) while denying pilots an ASAP program without negotiating it into the contract. I get mad that crew scheduling can run you up to 02: 00 into your off day and not compensate you and can junior man you without regard for seniority (ever day off is a day of reserve at time and a half at this airline) You think you can drink a beer on your day off - think again. They junior manned a friend of mine and assigned him a trip while he was int he middle of a lake in a Bass boat holding a beer in one hand and a pole in the other. And yes he got a trip failure / occurrence when he no show'd despite the fact he was physiologically incapable of operating the airplane.

A slave is someone who has no control of their schedule or their life. We are slaves.

Another friend of mine was driving home to be with his dying mother. He was junior manned and threatened. He turned down the assignment. His mother died. ASA fired him. That is the sort of airline this is.

Why the hell did your friend answer his phone? Do you guys have to answer the phone on your off days? When I see any Utah area code on my phone on my off days, that bitch is goin' to voice mail, unless I want to work (which isn't very often).

 

[Victor Meldrew]

I get mad that our Company has an ASAP program to report pilots to the FAA (which starts certificate action)

ASAP is more than that. If you didn't follow ASAP rules and the FAA investigates you you can get hung out to dry. If you follow ASAP you may get a little letter from the FAA (which fanishes after 2 years) but your not left to burn.

AWAC has a very successful ASAP program and has probably saved a few from the dreded FAA for what may seem like trivial mistakes.

Unfortunatly flying today is more about covering your tail than getting some!

 

[logolight]

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You haven't been on the ACA-lounge in a long time. What gives?