ASA 150% open time

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Your company figured out years ago, that it's far more profitable to run a lean company and pay overtime whenever necessary, than have staffing at levels where OT is not necessary.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Take it literally much?

Your mouth waters when you see those red trips, doesn't it?

The problem is that suggesting things like that DO get taken seriously by a few, and SOME feel that way, and only need a little push to do stupid crap. Keep it professional, even on here.

And no, I won't be picking up any time, but not because of any ideological reason. I'm not philosophically opposed to it, and I don't begrudge anyone who does pick up extra time. You people are too concerned with everyone else. Worry about yourself, and mind your own business.

If flights get cancelled due to lack of crews, it will keep people furloughed longer when we don't grow, so go ahead, be stupid and recommend that people not cover open time. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Brilliant.

 

[LazyLightnin']

The problem is that suggesting things like that DO get taken seriously by a few, and SOME feel that way, and only need a little push to do stupid crap. Keep it professional, even on here.

And no, I won't be picking up any time, but not because of any ideological reason. I'm not philosophically opposed to it, and I don't begrudge anyone who does pick up extra time. You people are too concerned with everyone else. Worry about yourself, and mind your own business.

If flights get cancelled due to lack of crews, it will keep people furloughed longer when we don't grow, so go ahead, be stupid and recommend that people not cover open time. Cut off your nose to spite your face. Brilliant.

If we were adequately staffed and not busy pinching pennies we would all be a little happier. How your brain doesn't grasp this is beyond me.

 

[ASApuppy]

They could offer 1000% and it wont help. Most of us are stuck flying 4 days. Throw in the unproductive 2 day int trips and there are no days left in my schedule to pick up anything.

So Scott Hall, since I know you read this, here is an idea for you. Go back to 3 day trips. Lower your required reserves for a given day. And implement the provisions of our LOA in SkedPlus that will allow us to swap and drop portions of our trips. That has nothing to do PBS or Flightline. I can assure you that you will lower your sick calls, cover more flying, and have a generally happier, more productive work group. Or, you can continue to be a stick in our butts and we will continue down the path of operating like we did in summer 2007.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

If we were adequately staffed and not busy pinching pennies we would all be a little happier. How your brain doesn't grasp this is beyond me.

I get that. This is a different issue. The fact is that there is open time out there, and if someone needs or wants to pick it up, that is their business, not yours. If you want to improve the QOL for the reserves, you should be pulling for people to pick up the open time. Not picking it up will NOT get the other furloughs back, but it sure will keep the reserves humping for the summer!

No doubt, the QOL would be better if we ran a little fatter. I think they are running us so lean to keep our costs down until the rate reset this fall, but that is pure speculation. Maybe things will improve after that? Who knows?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I get that. This is a different issue. The fact is that there is open time out there, and if someone needs or wants to pick it up, that is their business, not yours. If you want to improve the QOL for the reserves, you should be pulling for people to pick up the open time. Not picking it up will NOT get the other furloughs back, but it sure will keep the reserves humping for the summer!

No doubt, the QOL would be better if we ran a little fatter. I think they are running us so lean to keep our costs down until the rate reset this fall, but that is pure speculation. Maybe things will improve after that? Who knows?

I suspect you are right, and it is in EVERYONE's best interest to "win" more flying. To all you die in the wool union chest thumpers, maybe you should turn some of that energy towards the union that allows and encourages us to compete with each other for new flying....That is the game we are playing....If you don't like the game, then change the game....Don't cry in the corner and refuse to play the game because you don't like the rules.

 

[HoserASA]

All this OT and I have a 3 day on my schedule that's 11 hours block!

Hoser
ROLL TIDE ROLL!

 

[Tarzan]

If we were adequately staffed and not busy pinching pennies we would all be a little happier. How your brain doesn't grasp this is beyond me.

How your brain doesn't comprehend that someone will fly those trips is beyond me as well. If someone doesn't pick up that time, they will use reserves and then start junior manning. Personally, I'd rather someone pickup the flying that wants to do it at 150% rather than someone who doesn't want it and missing their commute home or having their own time adversely affected in other ways.

Find me the official UPS communication that tells guys not to pick up open time. And if you do find one, look for the NMB's response of telling them to knock it off.

For all you guys hollering about the math and the Air Mekong guys leaving, they don't leave until September. What happens to block hours in September? That being said, with Delta about to pull the trigger on more hiring, I figure the furloughs have a good chance of getting back by the years end.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Find me the official UPS communication that tells guys not to pick up open time. And if you do find one, look for the NMB's response of telling them to knock it off.

I believe it's actually written into their contract. It's not an email or anything like that.

 

[BoilerUP]

Find me the official UPS communication that tells guys not to pick up open time. And if you do find one, look for the NMB's response of telling them to knock it off.

This was posted back in February:

EB Publishes Solidarity Policy on Open Time and Junior Available (JA):

The Executive Board has determined that, until further notice, the following policy is in effect:

* Any IPA crewmember who has received a furlough notice is exempt from this policy

1) Do not pick up Open Time except as outlined below;

2) Do not increase original credit line values by more than five (5:00) credit hours using line improvement, trip trades, and pick up of open time to restore SIK or MIL

3) Do not participate in vacation buy-backs

4) Do not voluntarily train on days off

5) Do not bid for vacation on days off

6) Do not bid for trips that carry-in to days off, including preferencing reserve assignments that carry into days off

7) Do not accept Junior Available assignments.

* - Captains on scheduled reserve days should accept JA2 assignments to the right seat.

There is a provision in their CBA that allows for such a policy:

It shall be a violation of this Agreement if the Association
engages in any action to encourage or suggest to its members
that they not pick up open time or decline junior available
assignments. This language shall not be applicable during a
time of furlough or furlough announcement. Further, it shall be
a violation of this Agreement if any crewmember(s) takes any
action, individually or collectively, to discourage or interfere
with other crewmembers who desire to pick up open time or
accept junior available assignments. Nothing in the preceding
sentence shall limit an individual crewmember’s ability to voice
personal opinions.

 

[Baronman]

I suspect you are right, and it is in EVERYONE's best interest to "win" more flying. To all you die in the wool union chest thumpers, maybe you should turn some of that energy towards the union that allows and encourages us to compete with each other for new flying....That is the game we are playing....If you don't like the game, then change the game....Don't cry in the corner and refuse to play the game because you don't like the rules.

Why not just take pay cuts to "win" more flying...or reduce your contractual number of days off? Are you a management pilot?

 

[Tarzan]

I believe it's actually written into their contract. It's not an email or anything like that.

Alright then. If it is in the contract they are more than within their rights to do this. I don't know of anything in our contract that allows for that.

 

[jetpilotbc]

Real airlines like...Eastern, Braniff, TWA, Pan AM...

Try being a team and help your company or find another job.

 

[rtmcfi]

Personally, I'd rather someone pickup the flying that wants to do it at 150% rather than someone who doesn't want it and missing their commute home or having their own time adversely affected in other ways.
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Personally, I'd rather some of the furloghees be recalled. You think their life may be adversely affected?

 

[Long Time Gone]

We need to act like a real airline and start slashing the tires of those who pick these trips up.

I'd be real careful if I were you. Go ahead and do something like that. You better move out of the country immediately afterwards. I don't care whose tires they were; I guarantee you that a large group of us will find you and teach you better.