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You are a F'en retard. Of course I'd rather see them back. Take the dork out of your mouth for a second and think. What are they going to do right now? I stand by my statement. Either someone who wants it, flies or someone who doesn't want it, still flies it. Idiot.
What are you talking about? The Union is on the same page with the company! Who do you think mixed the Kool-Aid up during the PBS fast-sell?
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Scope out RJ's
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Or you could always try a frivilous lawsuit that was promising to pay you $$millions!
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Jack-O-Lantern
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This is a fact! Lets be smart guys.
Cpt Oveur
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No, he's still a captain on the 70, although he did have to sit in the right seat after that happened. There was no tires slashed and no abuse.
The White Dragon rears its horrid head once again, lifts its left rear paw slightly, and sharts.... (That is just what learning-disabled dragons do.)
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Do you really fail to see the connection between open time pickup and furlough recalls? Really??? I hope your tires are not too expensive. It might take lots of open time to pay for their replacement.
The following is not all concrete fact, but my observations and humble opinion:
An airline can reduce costs to some extent by forcing its hand on the pilots (as well as the other employees). But to truly become a lean mean fighting machine and finely trim costs, the operation must have an "on the same page" teamwork oriented philosophy.
ASA went nearly 30 years through all sorts of ups and downs without ever furloughing. Once a company elects to do this, trust and loyalty are severely violated.
Many of the highly touted "contract improvements" from the last go round were quite enjoyable, briefly...that is until company found ways around them. By now I think we've all realized the four day trips and red arrow days are by design. Company withholds trips from lines and puts into open time. Then most lines contain only four day trips and what ends up in open time is primarily four days making it difficult to pick up trips, or increase your monthly credit (and forget about one day less swaps as well). This has resulted in quite an effective pay cut for many of our pilots. Company refuses to break these trips up for the open time pot, but you can bet they do break them up. They do when assigning them to reserves. Then of course, there's the red arrow day issue further limiting our ability to make legitimate changes. There is "low coverage" because the reserves are busy covering the open time.
While there were many advertised improvements to the scheduling section and reserve, life on reserve has become ever more difficult. Company quickly found ways around these and all the "company will attempt to" type language is worthless. There have been many band-aid MOU and handshake fixes put into place for reserves (ready reserve being one of the prominent issues) but they never last more than a couple weeks and then it's back to the old tricks. The scheduling operating patterns change so much that reserve pilots never know what to expect, it changes by the week. Wonder how cost effective the record number of sick and fatigue calls are?
An example of our teamwork philosophy from my own experience: With the brilliant models for IAD in place providing six reserves per seat and one spare aircraft, company realized right off the bat this was inadequate. Numerous reserves were immediately and with no warning TDY'd to IAD, many for 4-6 days with a two hour short call out and little knowledge of the IAD operation. Company then attempted to avoid assigning the required min day credit and paying the required per-diem by not calling it TDY. With union's phones ringing off the hook, they were forced to call company to task. So company begrudgingly agreed to pay as per the contract. They then promptly reassigned all TDY pilots as "call me first" (another flagrant contract violation) and began assigning TDYs as ready reserve...often for 2-3 days in a row...just for wanting what they were due. Additionally, the IAD based reserve pilots, mostly commuters want to fly. But since TDY was now "call me first," they were assigned trips first and the based pilots now often had to get hotels or hang in the crash pad. As a point of fact, eventually this was all sorted out, but my lord!
Lastly, where is PBS? Wasn't it supposed to be here by now. What about the parallel bidding? Still haven't seen that either. I've been told it's because Flightline needs all this time to adjust their program to our PBS agreement. I don't believe this for one second. Do you?
I think we all want the same things, growth, quality of life and to operate in a congenial less-confrontational environment. Having adequate staffing is a cost of doing business. I just don't believe being truly competitive is achievable or sustainable by wringing the savings out of pilots and employees.
An airline can reduce costs to some extent by forcing its hand on the pilots (as well as the other employees). But to truly become a lean mean fighting machine and finely trim costs, the operation must have an "on the same page" teamwork oriented philosophy.
ASA went nearly 30 years through all sorts of ups and downs without ever furloughing. Once a company elects to do this, trust and loyalty are severely violated.
Many of the highly touted "contract improvements" from the last go round were quite enjoyable, briefly...that is until company found ways around them. By now I think we've all realized the four day trips and red arrow days are by design. Company withholds trips from lines and puts into open time. Then most lines contain only four day trips and what ends up in open time is primarily four days making it difficult to pick up trips, or increase your monthly credit (and forget about one day less swaps as well). This has resulted in quite an effective pay cut for many of our pilots. Company refuses to break these trips up for the open time pot, but you can bet they do break them up. They do when assigning them to reserves. Then of course, there's the red arrow day issue further limiting our ability to make legitimate changes. There is "low coverage" because the reserves are busy covering the open time.
While there were many advertised improvements to the scheduling section and reserve, life on reserve has become ever more difficult. Company quickly found ways around these and all the "company will attempt to" type language is worthless. There have been many band-aid MOU and handshake fixes put into place for reserves (ready reserve being one of the prominent issues) but they never last more than a couple weeks and then it's back to the old tricks. The scheduling operating patterns change so much that reserve pilots never know what to expect, it changes by the week. Wonder how cost effective the record number of sick and fatigue calls are?
An example of our teamwork philosophy from my own experience: With the brilliant models for IAD in place providing six reserves per seat and one spare aircraft, company realized right off the bat this was inadequate. Numerous reserves were immediately and with no warning TDY'd to IAD, many for 4-6 days with a two hour short call out and little knowledge of the IAD operation. Company then attempted to avoid assigning the required min day credit and paying the required per-diem by not calling it TDY. With union's phones ringing off the hook, they were forced to call company to task. So company begrudgingly agreed to pay as per the contract. They then promptly reassigned all TDY pilots as "call me first" (another flagrant contract violation) and began assigning TDYs as ready reserve...often for 2-3 days in a row...just for wanting what they were due. Additionally, the IAD based reserve pilots, mostly commuters want to fly. But since TDY was now "call me first," they were assigned trips first and the based pilots now often had to get hotels or hang in the crash pad. As a point of fact, eventually this was all sorted out, but my lord!
Lastly, where is PBS? Wasn't it supposed to be here by now. What about the parallel bidding? Still haven't seen that either. I've been told it's because Flightline needs all this time to adjust their program to our PBS agreement. I don't believe this for one second. Do you?
I think we all want the same things, growth, quality of life and to operate in a congenial less-confrontational environment. Having adequate staffing is a cost of doing business. I just don't believe being truly competitive is achievable or sustainable by wringing the savings out of pilots and employees.
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Seems like a fairly accurate observation of what's going on. All this kumbaya bs is getting a bit tiring, like scheduling saying "Aren't we trying to work as a team to run an ontime operation?" as a justification for taking your scheduled nap and giving it to a reserve, in blatant disregard of the contract.
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