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igneousy2

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From the ALPA update...



It was recently brought to the MEC’s attention that a FODO who was right seat qualified flew two revenue flights in May in the First Officer position. Management’s explanation of the assignment was that it was required because of a staffing shortfall due to an abnormally high number of sick leave calls. Especially in light of the fact that there are 93 pilots currently on the furlough, we will be challenging any attempts to permit check airmen to fly in the right seat other than when conducting mandatory training, as well as the similar assignment of other non-flying and supervisory pilots such as FODO’s.

Both the MEC and management agree that when they bid for and fly a regular monthly line, the abovementioned pilots are restricted to their permanent bid seat position. Where the MEC disagrees with management is on the application of Section 10 (Non-Flying or Supervisory Duty) and on the portion of Section 25 (Scheduling) that addresses the assignment of open flying time.

Your MEC officers met yesterday afternoon with Chief Pilot TK to address the issue. In response, he directed the scheduling department to refrain from using FODO’s and check airmen in right seat flying assignments (other than for mandatory training events) until further notice and has agreed to refer the issue to the Scheduling Management Group. We are fully prepared to grieve this matter if necessary, but at the same time we recognize Captain K’s actions as a positive step in trying to resolve the dispute ahead of the grievance and arbitration process.

We will continue to keep you updated as more information becomes available and will also inform you on the outcome of the Scheduling Management Group’s meeting to address this very important issue. In the meantime, if you have any questions about the application or enforcement of your CBA, please contact your Contract Compliance Committee.
 
They are just practicing for what will be a busy summer from the right seat!
 
It's already stopped. TK is on our side, so they say. I have a better idea - RECALL!!!
I'm off to start ANC in 2 days. F!

Baja.
 
I don't understand why AS needs to do this - I mean most pilots aren't anywhere near the FAR max . . .:smash:
 
This has been happening for while. TK is a good guy and I bet/hope that he sticks to this. Now the recalls needed should come but they are trying to nickel and dime everyone to death. Now if everyone stops picking up open time then we can show them. I know that BH, JF and others have been doing it for while.
 
?? meaning that they can pick it up or reserves should be able to cover it?

Meaning I don't think the contract should have been voted in when it allowed for VSA and furloughs.
 
It's already stopped. TK is on our side, so they say. I have a better idea - RECALL!!!
I'm off to start ANC in 2 days. F!

Baja.

While I would agree that TK has thus far taken the high road on this issue...I would not go so far as to say he is on "our side"

The companies response stated that the MEC questioned the "past practice" of letting check-airman flying the right seat...read between the lines...and it means we can do this because we've always been doing this.

TK also did not say they won't do this anymore...he is simply stopping until the SMG is able to meet.

What do you want to be that the SMG will meet and not agree.
 
Furloughs are not back because of the amount of open time guys on vacation are picking up (approx 15hrs per person avg), vsa, and premium trips. The rich get richer and the furloughs last longer. The flipside is that guys are trying to 'make up' from Kasher what they lost.

This summer should be 'interesting'....
Mookie
 
The root of all this evil is the "gummers". You listen to these guys for 5, 7, 10 years say how much they can't wait to retire - then they turn 60 and stay. If the "gummers" were gone, there would have been no furloughs. It is like a giant 5 year pause button on all our careers.
The good news is that it will make our pension more secure because most of these guys will die a lot younger. Statistically every year you work past age 60 costs you two years in life expectancy.
The other good news is that most of these guys won't even make it to 65. They will try to, but they won't make it. Very few of them that I have flown with have the health to make it 5 more years. They will medical out soon.
So lets looks forward to some better days, getting the old guys outa hear and getting our furloughs back!
 
Hey AK737FO, relax and let it go.....as a bottom feeder on the list myself, you need to let it go. Who are YOU to determine when someone should retire? If they can't pass a medical then they will go but I don't get it when people try to tell someone else how to work and live. Trust me, when YOU are 60 something you will be the one saying you have to stay....do your job and it will come!
 
Actually, if my financial planer does his job, as I suspect he will, I should be able to punch out at 57 or 58 - that's the goal at least. More time to spend my hard earned money, more time to hunt and fish, more time to do all the things with my wife that we never got around to doing just yet. Driving jets 15 days a month is cool but there is a whole lot more to life for me. This company has way to many guys who have no hobbies, no aspirations, no life - except to drive the jet. Personally, I pity them, but it is indeed their life to live however they choose.

As to our furloughs; it can't be denied that there would be none if the age 65 had not become law. That's all I'm saying. The Govt got in the mix, old guys got to work longer, and young guys got the curb. The men that have influenced me the most at this company, the top notch quality guys who really had an admirable handle on life, all retired early (pre-60). Today they are all living large and have no regrets.

Every summer a common cockpit conversation here is that is it going to be "an interesting summer". This year, I think I might actually believe it. We seem to be short, way short, and it's not going to get any better as the summer progresses.
 
I love to hear about how quickly some of these guys upgraded to CA. 4 years is a pretty nice number. Unfortunately it's not right now.
 
4 year upgrades - don't we wish! 14 is the new 4!

The record as far as I know is one guy who went from FE to FO to Captain in 11 months - all while still on probation! He also retired at age 59 and was a wonderful man to work with.
We have lots aroung here who were hired at 24 to 26 and were 727 or 737 Captains by 29. Those were the days! It would have been something to see!
 
There were 1996 hires who upgraded in 4.5 years. Of course they complain about being on reserve this whole time.
 
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It is not easy to feel some sense of disgust at the gummers. Just take the number one guy on the list. He's over 60. He sits on the board of directors for a large health provider in the Bay area. Google it. His grandfather was one of the wealthiest industrialists in our nation's history. Here is a guy that could have retired at 60 (or 50 for that matter) and been well-regarded. Now he is a pariah and always will be.
I have furloughed friends that are literally just trying to feed their families and a guy like that sticks around. It makes me sick.
 
It is not easy to feel some sense of disgust at the gummers. Just take the number one guy on the list. He's over 60. He sits on the board of directors for a large health provider in the Bay area. Google it. His grandfather was one of the wealthiest industrialists in our nation's history. Here is a guy that could have retired at 60 (or 50 for that matter) and been well-regarded. Now he is a pariah and always will be.
I have furloughed friends that are literally just trying to feed their families and a guy like that sticks around. It makes me sick.

So, if he retires tomorrow, will they bring back one furloughee?
 

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