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Fubijaakr

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Ok guys, just for fun...

Now that the AS pilot contract is in place let's imagine there is a merger/acquisition. Both pilot groups are ALPA, so the ALPA merger/fragmentation policy applies. The highlights? No windfalls, no DoH and preserve jobs. How would you merge the lists?

Here's my suggestion. AS has 1455 pilots, 60 on furlough. AAI has 1663.
AAI began flying 10/26/1993. AAI's junior Captain (July 2004) is significantly junior to our junior Captain (December 1998).

Of course, the starting point is no bump, no flush. Whatever bid position you hold prior to SLI date, you continue to hold. However, AFTER SLI date, all vacancies would be filled from the merged system seniority list.

The list starts with all AS Captains hired prior to 10/26/1993. That accounts for 427 AS pilots. Any AS/AAI pilots on furlough at SLI date would go to the bottom of the list (sorted by original date of hire) since they do not hold a current bid postion.

That leaves 968 AS and 1663 AAI pilots. Since that ratio is about 1:1.7 the remaining pilots should be ratioed together using 2 AAI pilots for each AS pilot.

No base/equipment fences.

Let the games begin!
 

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I thought I was bored, but you must have absolutely nothing to do.
 

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Ok guys, just for fun...

Now that the AS pilot contract is in place let's imagine there is a merger/acquisition. Both pilot groups are ALPA, so the ALPA merger/fragmentation policy applies. The highlights? No windfalls, no DoH and preserve jobs. How would you merge the lists?

Here's my suggestion. AS has 1455 pilots, 60 on furlough. AAI has 1663.
AAI began flying 10/26/1993. AAI's junior Captain (July 2004) is significantly junior to our junior Captain (December 1998).

Of course, the starting point is no bump, no flush. Whatever bid position you hold prior to SLI date, you continue to hold. However, AFTER SLI date, all vacancies would be filled from the merged system seniority list.

The list starts with all AS Captains hired prior to 10/26/1993. That accounts for 427 AS pilots. Any AS/AAI pilots on furlough at SLI date would go to the bottom of the list (sorted by original date of hire) since they do not hold a current bid postion.

That leaves 968 AS and 1663 AAI pilots. Since that ratio is about 1:1.7 the remaining pilots should be ratioed together using 2 AAI pilots for each AS pilot.

No base/equipment fences.

Let the games begin!
Well, looking at the last two mergers with ALPA (USAir and DL/NW), I would have to guess you WON'T get DOH. That is bad for you senior AK pilots. I would say that would be a windfall for the AAI guys, and they would love it. Your furloughed AK guys would also be put below all of the AAI pilots (like at USAir) since they are not on the property currently. Go for it! (Can I still jumpseat to Sitka? Can't wait....) Relative seniority rules the day, and trying to prove who brings in more money etc just doesn't work. So, blend in some ex Eastern Scabs at the top of your combined list, and everyone will be happy. Some AK guys will GET TO move to ATL, when senior AAI guys push West. Sounds like a win win for somebody...


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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And you think this is a fun discussion... WHY?
 

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You got that right!

Well, looking at the last two mergers with ALPA (USAir and DL/NW), I would have to guess you WON'T get DOH.
No kidding, Gen'l. That's because DoH is not a component of the ALPA merger/frag policy (thank-you, UAL pilots!).

That is bad for you senior AK pilots. I would say that would be a windfall for the AAI guys, and they would love it.
Thus the suggestion of protection for the Pre-1993 hires. That was the way the AS/JA SLI merger went. 250 (or so) premerger AS pilots went on top with a 3 or 4 to 1 ratio after that. Granted, some JA pilots got a seniority windfall, but by the time you got to the middle of the list, it was pretty even.


Your furloughed AK guys would also be put below all of the AAI pilots (like at USAir) since they are not on the property currently. Go for it!
I believe I said that.

(Can I still jumpseat to Sitka? Can't wait....)
Absolutely. DAL pilots are always welcome on AS jumpseats.

Relative seniority rules the day, and trying to prove who brings in more money etc just doesn't work. So, blend in some ex Eastern Scabs at the top of your combined list, and everyone will be happy.
True and true. The Eastern scabs part sucks, but you have to take the good with the bad.

And you think this is a fun discussion... WHY?
Because even hypothetical SLI discussions bring out the best in everybody!
 

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JJR your and idiot ALK is not buying or merging with AAI... GS doesn't have a clue what is going on at ALK anymore but I can only imagine He likes to pretend for his ego sake.
 

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Because even hypothetical SLI discussions bring out the best in everybody!
ummm,,, yeah,,, I'm going to have to,,, sort of,,, disagree with you there,,, yeah. ;)

(p.s., yes, I know you were being sarcastic)
 

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JJR your and idiot ALK is not buying or merging with AAI... GS doesn't have a clue what is going on at ALK anymore but I can only imagine He likes to pretend for his ego sake.
Fubi=JJR... is this the same guy who likes to jack with non-union jumpseaters?
 

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Some flight attendant claims that an intoxicated GS chatted her up and leaked a major business deal...now that is a credible source. (Please note sarcasm) JJ, I mean Fubijaakr, get a life.
 

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GS never told a lie. He never exaggerated. He never thought highly of himself. He was always a credible source. HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE SEA-PSP DRUNK. Thank god it was BT that advanced. JJR is right. Non-Union J/S are a distraction in the cockpit. ALPA policy has always been to request a Union card. - END of Story. DAL is buying us. AirTran has nothing ALK and it's shareholder's want.
 
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JJR your and idiot ALK is not buying or merging with AAI... GS doesn't have a clue what is going on at ALK anymore but I can only imagine He likes to pretend for his ego sake.
You shouldn't call someone an idiot if you misspell two of the first three words in your post. Here, I'll help you. It's "you're an idiot".
 

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Ok guys, just for fun...

Now that the AS pilot contract is in place let's imagine there is a merger/acquisition. Both pilot groups are ALPA, so the ALPA merger/fragmentation policy applies. The highlights? No windfalls, no DoH and preserve jobs. How would you merge the lists?

Here's my suggestion. AS has 1455 pilots, 60 on furlough. AAI has 1663.
AAI began flying 10/26/1993. AAI's junior Captain (July 2004) is significantly junior to our junior Captain (December 1998).

Of course, the starting point is no bump, no flush. Whatever bid position you hold prior to SLI date, you continue to hold. However, AFTER SLI date, all vacancies would be filled from the merged system seniority list.

The list starts with all AS Captains hired prior to 10/26/1993. That accounts for 427 AS pilots. Any AS/AAI pilots on furlough at SLI date would go to the bottom of the list (sorted by original date of hire) since they do not hold a current bid postion.

That leaves 968 AS and 1663 AAI pilots. Since that ratio is about 1:1.7 the remaining pilots should be ratioed together using 2 AAI pilots for each AS pilot.

No base/equipment fences.

Let the games begin!
10/26/93 is an arbitrary date that gives senior AS pilots a windfall at the expense of AAI pilots. Hypothetically, AS pilot #427, who would be bidding approximately 30% (+/- depending on base) at AS, could bid #1 in ATL. That looks like a windfall to me.

Direct ratio top to bottom with any furloughs at the bottom - seems easy to me.
 

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Good luck with that whole DAL thing... ;)

If it happens, it seriously would be FANTASTIC. Flying SE Alaska in the Summer, and Cabo/Cancun in the Winter.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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OK OK you are right I am a moron... And yes no one should call anyone an idiot that's just not nice... Yes my spelling leaves something to be desired but I read that post and it just pissed me off. Here is some 1990 hire 380 something on the seniority at ALK wanting a merger policy that puts him in at 380 on a 4000 seniority list... As long as I get a bunch more seniority screw everyone else. Screw the senior AAI pilots screw the senior ALK FO's just make me more senior! This guy is a piece of work... I will just leave it at that. Secretly I am hoping Virgin America puts us out of business and these I will take mine and screw everybody else types get what's coming to them. The whole thing is a joke anyways we are not merging with aai but I sincerely hope you guys get a great new contract soon!
 

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If it happens, it seriously would be FANTASTIC. Flying SE Alaska in the Summer, and Cabo/Cancun in the Winter.


Bye Bye--General Lee
As far a Cancun I just talked to one of the crew planers today and she said 96 hour layovers there starting next month!! Then she said only for the Flight Attendants sorry.
 
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