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No way, a Skywest pilot did that? Those guys come in with at least 1000 hours and are the most experienced. It say so on their inflight magazine.
 
That was an extremely overly simplistic statement of what happend with that Mesaba situation as well. Lets just say there is much more to that story than what was said, and no I am not going to add to it here.
 
homerjdispatch said:
The FO was flying the plane and only had 15hrs in CRJ... However the Captain had over 1100 hrs in CRJ. And lets face the facts on this... The CRJ had tail icing.. But Bombardier says the tail doesnt ice on the CRJ...
Here is the report for those of you who actually want facts...
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20040121X00083&ntsbno=CHI04IA056&akey=1
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Interesting. Nothing in the report suggests there was any problem with longitudinal control.

Rapid City Journal said:
And that inexperience has resulted in a string of incidents, punctuated by a deadly crash in Buffalo, N.Y., in February 2009. That crash killed 50 people and resulted from errors by a pilot making less than $16,000 a year with a sub-par training history.
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Also interesting. I'm quite sure the one who screwed the pooch and had a shaky training history was not the one making $16K. Gotta love the media.
 
I like the guy who says "as long as my flight is cheap, and on -time"

That sums it up. Of course, if there is an incident his family would sue the deepest pockets.
 
IBNAV8R said:
Interesting. Nothing in the report suggests there was any problem with longitudinal control.



Also interesting. I'm quite sure the one who screwed the pooch and had a shaky training history was not the one making $16K. Gotta love the media.
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Actually, she sealed their fate when she brought the flaps up...
 
True but it never should have gotten to that point. There are 2 of us there to make sure if one is asleep at the wheel the other can fix things before they go out of control. When both are clueless then we might as well be flying airliners as Global Hawks (unmanned)
 
Right. It should NEVER have gotten to that point (airmanship 101, etc...), but the FO sealed their fate when she did the absolute worst thing any "pilot" could possible do in a situation like that.

But you're right...it should never have progressed that far. Everybody has been guilty of letting speed build/bleed while fumbling for approach plates, etc, but letting THAT much speed bleed to the point of getting the shaker SHOULD have been noticed by at least 1 of the pilots.
 
At that point she was trying to do something, ANYTHING to fix the situation. Not saying she was right. But if you watch the NTSB animation, the airplane was still flyable with the flaps retracted (controlled with rudder). Then, when the aircraft rolled right the last time, Renslow stopped flying the airplane - neutral rudder and aileron (except for pulling back on the yoke against the pusher).

NTSB Colgan 3407 Animation

That airplane was flyable until the right before impact - regardless of flap position. There was NOTHING that would have averted this crash except the captain (who made more than $16k/yr) recovering from a stall - a pre-solo private pilot maneuver.
 
IBNAV8R said:
At that point she was trying to do something, ANYTHING to fix the situation. Not saying she was right. But if you watch the NTSB animation, the airplane was still flyable with the flaps retracted (controlled with rudder). Then, when the aircraft rolled right the last time, Renslow stopped flying the airplane - neutral rudder and aileron (except for pulling back on the yoke against the pusher).

NTSB Colgan 3407 Animation

That airplane was flyable until the right before impact - regardless of flap position. There was NOTHING that would have averted this crash except the captain (who made more than $16k/yr) recovering from a stall - a pre-solo private pilot maneuver.
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Dang you're so smart. Do you like to share anything else with us Captain Obvious?
 
Gr82Aviate said:
Actually, she sealed their fate when she brought the flaps up...
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ehaecker said:
BANG! Nail on the HEAD!
"You can't fix stupid"
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Obvious, obviously. Now maybe if Colgan didn't obviously pay their captains $16K, this wouldn't have obviously happened.
 
Look, they both f-ed up big time. Poor airmanship on both sides of the cockpit. Very sad.
 
Another question that should be asked is "How tired are the pilots flying your plane?" Low pay, low training, low experience, high stress flying, and fatiguing schedules does not add up to a safe operation. But then again, it's all about saving a few bucks and hiring little more than student pilots.
 
It's funny that the article failed to mentioned the crew that mistakenly landed at Ellsworth Air Force Base instead of their intended destination of Rapid City Regional just a few years back.

I forget which regional that was.....;)
 
They also failed to mention the same airline few for 2 hours in no radio contact and 100 miles past their destination with 2 pilots snoozing, I mean intensely working on new scheduling software, no wait I mean engaged in a heated discussion about scheduling. No the 2nd one! yeah thats it!
 

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