Article: Comair not a 'give-up' airline

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Embraerdriver

Dude,

Your selfish ignorance would be comical if it wasn't a huge reason regional pilots get paid the way we do.

People like you are the ones who sell out the regional pilot group as a whole. You'll do/sign ANYTHING you can to get those shiny new airplanes on property--undercutting other airlines with employees who actually have standards.

You say you don't care because you'll be off at a major-and it will be someone else's problem then. PATHETIC.

It's only about you, isn't it? You'd fit in real well with all of the '83 hires at CAL.

Comair, I applaud you guys for standing up for what is right. Your pilot group's unwavering unity is impressive.

 

[BlackCoffee]

The general finally starts showing his true colors.

 

[Otto]

Gee, if only my Delta buddies would get this support instead of being vilified for standing their ground too...

If I take a pay cut, my wife has to get a job just to pay the mortgage. If DAL guys take a pay cut, they have to sell their boat. That's the difference.

 

[rjcap]

Mainline is looking at a Chapter 11 filing that will devastate the pilot contract and the retirment fund.

This all boils down to a game of chicken. Either Grinstein or the pilot group will blink first. The downside is that if it goes to far and chap 11 is filed the pilots will take the worst beating and not Grinstein.

Ultimately the decision will be made by the 55% of the pilots who are most senior. Their concern for their pension accounts will be the driving force. ASA and Comair and the rest of DCI are not even in this battle.

 

[skiddriver]

If Delta Inc goes into BK, mainline pilots stand to lose their retirement fund. I don't have one to lose.

Delta pay for a guy two years out of the military is two times what mine is (and I'm two years out of the military). After another year, it's three times my pay.

Those who have the most to lose (gain) need to give the most. So Delta sells us. Who loses in that deal? Go ahead Gen. L., get G to put us on the block.

Comair pay is okay. Delta pay is great. Cutting Delta pay makes it great(-). Cutting my pay makes it unliveable. There is a reason that our tax code is progressive. If you think you'll get a "let's all pitch in" attitude from us, so that your retirement fund can remain untouched, think twice. Come up with some substantial reason to help out, other than maintaining your pay and benefits, then maybe we can talk.

Just remember, disregarding the huge difference in additional expense to mother D for the mainline pilots benefits, retirements, and work rules - Delta mainline annual pilot payroll is over $1B, Comair's pilot payroll is in the vicinity of $100M. Where are the real savings to be found?

 

[General Lee]

Well Gollll--eeeee,

A bunch of you folks didn't like my statement. Hmmmmm. First of all, everyone loves to say that Comair/ASA are "holding up" Delta and they don't deserve a pay cut--even though their peers are making half and doing the same job. (That is what we hear about UAL and AA) FDJ2 posted the exact comments from Michele Burns (our CFO---and yours) which stated at a CVG meeting that Delta pays for most of your expenses--and without that you would NOT be as profitable. Also, since a lot of your RJs are on very popular routes (once flown by mainline)---of course a lot of them are profitable. But, Delta would be even more profitable if they actually put mainline aircraft on those same routes and flew them more often---but no--marketing is screwed up and even Grinstein admitted that at the DFW meeting. (He also doesn't really like RJs--like your buddy Fred Reid)

Skiddriver,

I flew at the commuters (pre-regional days) and I bet I made 1/4th the money you make now--flying a brasilia 7 legs a day too. I know what you mean when you don't have a lot of money. Guess what? I don't have a boat. Yes, I make a great wage, and I hope you do too someday, but just because you are at a different stage in your carreer--doesn't mean that there aren't ups and downs for you too. Also, if Delta goes into BK--the pensions are safe--unless they file a termination notice and that could take 90 days. The judge has to go over everything and make the determination. Notice only USAir guys lost their pensions (most of those guys still flying had a chance to bail, but unfortunately did not)---and the UAL guys still have theirs. We have recently gotten a lot from Dalpa concerning the pensions and a lot of our guys feel a lot more comfortable about the situation. In other words, it can't just be swiped away from them.


RJCAP,

First of all, Grinstein has scaled back on his Chap 11 talk because he cannot just talk that way and manipulate the stock price.(thanks to the Martha Stewart stuff) He has to be careful what he says. Yes, we had a down grade from the S&P---but what the articles didn't say and Delta neglected to say was that the S&P also said that the current down grade is STABLE (leaving 6 more below it) and that Delta had many good things going for it---including one union, strong INTL travel this Summer, and ADEQUATE cash reserves. We have $2.8 billion in cash, and have had a better Spring and probably a great Summer. What does that mean? We aren't teetering on the verge YET--we have some time. Also, I talked with a high level MEC member today in ATL and he said that Delta would get HUGE pressure from GE Capital, Morgan Stanley, and almost every other large investor if they did not negotiate eventually and just "took us into bankruptcy." There would be a lot of pi$$ed off people then, and the judge and bankers would be in charge. (not Grinstein) In other words, there will probably be some negotating eventually, and we all can't wait to hear Grinstein's big plans when the strategic review is over in early July. Guess what? If we are to VOTE on a pay cut---there better be something in it for us (notice he said he wanted larger planes to fight the LCCs and lower our CASM---in the DFW speech)---and I doubt there will be much about DCI getting 100 seaters or many more RJs either. I also doubt our guys would vote for more furloughs etc---there would have to be recalls. So---Grinstein will have the pressure on too from the major investors---and we are ready to have SERIOUS negotiations......


Otto,

There is nothing gauranteed in this business---just ask our 1060 furloughs. They have taken a 100% pay cut. I bet a lot of them have sold their homes and are living on vapors....And, oh yeah--Comair won't help them out....Thanks.....


Black Coffee,

Maybe you haven't been on here long, but I have said a lot and personally done a lot to help our furloughs. I never said "you guys need to give 40% of your wages...etc" I have only said that EVERYONE should give something (the amount is up to them) and that Delta will not give anything extra to Comair until they get their costs down. (just like us---we won't get anything either, but we are atleast willing to sit down and negotiate--where are they?) I know what it is like to get paid squat and work really hard---but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have to give something ---especially when you have a stake in all of this too. everyone likes to compare us to UAL and AA---and the comparison to Mesa and Chataqua in respect to wages is the same thing management is asking for. I am just bringing it out in the open----like it or not. I don't want you guys to take those huge cuts--but Wall Street and management do. The pressure is on---for all of us.


ASARJFO,

I know it is tough, and I didn't make over $40,000 a year until I was in my SECOND year with Delta. (My first year hourly pay on the 727FE and Express 737 was near $30 an hour) I am not in charge of that, and I keep saying that the company will try to squeeze you until you do give up something. I of course believe that we at mainline (the pilots) will take the lion's share of the cuts, and I am ok with that. But to hide and say that you guys are profitable (thanks to Delta paying for most of your expenses--from the CFO's mouth) and you don't deserve it---is not looking at the whole picture. I am sure we will get a huge cut---but they will come after you next---and eventually they will win. I don't want you to take huge cuts---but there will be something that you will give up to get those extra jets and even get a new contract. Sorry.

bvt1151,

The company would be even MORE profitable with pay cuts from you---and THEY KNOW THAT. They will press you, and even if they don't get it now---you will not grow and they will give future relief with the 70 deaters to other carriers. You will eventually feel it.

ATRCA,

Everyone will have to give up something. Grinstein said that only "non-contract" employees would keep the same rates----so that means he wants to go after ALL of the unions (you and me) and show the others how stupid it was for us to unionize. But, I assure you that we at mainline will take larger cuts than you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Delta would be even more profitable if they actually put mainline aircraft on those same routes and flew them more often---but no--marketing is screwed up

Brilliant assessment of the situation. Too bad you aren't running the show then all would be well!

We have recently gotten a lot from Dalpa concerning the pensions and a lot of our guys feel a lot more comfortable about the situation.

Well that is a relief isn't it? They say that all is well so you should feel all warm and fuzzy now!

And, oh yeah--Comair won't help them out....Thanks.....

Not up to Comair, up to Delta. Thank them!

EVERYONE should give something

Not going to happen!

I assure you that we at mainline will take larger cuts than you.

What a call Swami! Something versus nothing makes that a certainty. You may have a future in Vegas handicapping football.

but there will be something that you will give up to get those extra jets and even get a new contract. Sorry.

Your sympathy is overwhelming! Don't be sorry for us smart guy you have enough already to be sorry for what with all of the 1060 of your closest friends being out of work and all!

AMF

 

[Nindiri]

Interesting how when times were good the Delta guys on the National boards were constantly reminding everyone that Delta and Comair/ASA were separate companies and should take care of their own problems, but now they suddenly have decided that they're all in this together and that the DCI guys should take a share of any concessions to help save Delta.

I'm not saying that DCI shouldn't help, I just think the Delta pilots' change of heart about "the Delta family including DCI" a bit hypocritical.

 

[skiddriver]

Gen L

First, thanks for the condescension, but if I'm in a "different stage in [my] carreer[sic]" it's because I'm closer to the mandatory retirement age than you are. I finished voluntarily paying my dues when I was pulling down $800 a month as a 2ndLt 24 years ago.

It's not up the Delta mainline pilots to decide who gives and who doesn't, and DALPA has no business negotiating my pay with Delta. As you've pointed out many times, we work for Comair. MYOB and I'll mind mine, unless you have something more substantive than offering our pilot group a preferred interview sometime after I hit 60.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

here is a logical reason. Bottom line, ASA and CMR have no scope. Delta has demonstrated they will give flying to one of the lower cost regionals. Right now its the growth aircraft, but there is nothing stopping them from giving them your aircraft. It sucks, but thats the way it is.

Here we go again. "GROWTH AIRCRAFT" Another pilot falling for mgt.'s retoric. Is it not funny how this new term came to be. The 170 aircraft we now have were never called "grwth aircraft" by mgt. It was when they decidied to try and trick us out of concessions that they became "growth aircraft".

We at Comair have heard it all. During the strike we saw mgt.s game first hand and learned a lot.

If the ASA pilots had fallen for it, they would be out of section six negotiations now, had the same amount of orders and never known they were dupped.

Lets all not let their little smoke and mirrors game fog reality. Chitaco's 13 airframes were planned years ago. The 25 for ASA and 7 for Skywhore were planned years ago.

If they are to go to the lowest bidder, Skywhore and Mesa would of gotten all of them. Heck, Skywhore whores out 70 seat flying for less than we fly the 50 seater. They should be doing ALL of our 70 seat flying, right?

 

[General Lee]

Looks like I struck a nerve---more than once. Oh well.

XRMEFlyer,

You really are a goof--aren't you? But hey, you sure are sure that you guys will never give up pay. Ok---whatever......just watch chief...either you will voluntarily---or some day if we go Chap 11 you will via the judge. And everyone on this board has said, "This hiring rule has been COMAIR's rule for six decades.."(?)..... Sounds like Comair isn't really going out of it's way to help our furloughs....Hmmmm. Sounds like they have too many 300 hour wonders from the DCI Academy streaming in to help our furloughs....Enjoy!


Skiddrivr,

I personally don't care if this is your last or first stage in your carreer. If you are at Comair---I can see why you don't want pay cuts, and might want larger aircraft coming your way. Dalpa is not negotiating your pay---DELTA wants lower pay--and will show you with no growth. You guys better hope we actually get some negotiating done here or you WILL lose pay--via the judge. Your current wages will be reduced to your peers---MESA. I would change your attitude really quick--get behind us giving 15-20%--or else you will be giving 30% yourselves....Truth hurts.

Nindiri,

All I remember during good times was the mantra "Date of hire...Date of hire.." for a possible seniority merger between companies. Why wouldn't our guys have wanted a staple? They did---but you guys wanted "it all." Your fault. Truth hurts.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

Comair-Enjoy the stagnation.........and your award winning contract!

Some of us don't want to spend the rest of our lives working at some regional. Fact is I'll probably be a captain at Jblu, or SWA by the time some of your second year FO's upgrade.

Enjoy it though..............

Another dreamer willing to work for peanuts for a job which (statistically) will never happen for him.

 

[Nindiri]

All I remember during good times was the mantra "Date of hire...Date of hire.." for a possible seniority merger between companies.

And you reminded them (Comair) that they were a separate company and that they were not Delta. Now when it's convenient for you, you've changed your mind.

 

[WmuBronco]

embraerdriver=just another loose whore

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Generally,

Looks like I struck a nerve---more than once. Oh well.

Yeah, oh well is right. Just can't help being yourself can you?

You really are a goof--aren't you?

Come on hero you can do better than that!

you sure are sure that you guys will never give up pay. Ok---whatever......just watch chief...either you will voluntarily---or some day if we go Chap 11 you will via the judge.

I will take my chances with the judge, but it will NOT happen voluntarily.

This hiring rule has been COMAIR's rule for six decades.."(?)..... Sounds like Comair isn't really going out of it's way to help our furloughs....Hmmmm.

Six decades huh? Your ignorance of the situation aside, it was and continues to be a Delta decision. And as for the 300 hour wonders, I've flown with several of them and several furloughs in the past few years and without question the low timers were better prepared, more motivated squared away individuals on the whole. It comes down to attitude and they have the right one while some (certainly not all) of their more experienced colleagues feel that the world owes them a living. You can relate to that right?

You guys better hope we actually get some negotiating done here or you WILL lose pay--via the judge. Your current wages will be reduced to your peers---MESA. I would change your attitude really quick--get behind us giving 15-20%--or else you will be giving 30% yourselves....Truth hurts.

First, Mesa is not so far behind us that we would even notice the difference can you say the same? Doesn't matter, it will not be given away. The vast majority of us have a whole heck of a lot less to lose in this than you girls do. The "300 hour wonders" are for the most part young they would do just fine in the long run, and there are plenty of us who can still wear our nations uniform and participate in the festivities overseas for more than what we are currently earning. What is the average mainline guy's backup plan for pulling down 150-250k a year?

but you guys wanted "it all." Your fault.

Actually that didn't work out too badly for us did it? So if it makes you feel any better, yeah My bad!

 

[General Lee]

HA HA HA HA

Ream me,

Yes, you might just have to take your chances, and Delta would love to give you some "brown sugar in your..." thanks to your great strike....

My "six decades" comment was a joke--since you guys seem to love to say that the rule has been engraved in stone since Moses. So stupid. And, I am so glad that the 300 hour wonders are bettter than the furloughed guys (no Delta furloughs I think--why would they go there with seniority resignation?)----I am glad that you get to do IOE on them every flight.... Do you get paid extra for that? I didn't think so...

I am glad that Mesa's contract is close to yours---that will make it not so hard to take. Most of our senior guys won't stay around to see 30% pay cuts--so they will bail and I will upgrade to 777 FO, and my pay cut won't be as bad---but I will think about you guys when I am having a beer in Mainz (near FRA). Enjoy your day chief.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Once again, Delta's, or more precicely - DALPA'S - spokesman has hijacked a thread that he has NOTHING TO DO WITH! How many times does this egomaniac have to spew his DALPA rhetoric at us? Would ANY of you think about injecting EVERY Delta mainline thread with you "opinions" on the state of Delta and what Delta pilots ought to do, or ought to think???? I, for one, am so UNBELIEVABLY sick of GL hijacking every DCI thread! I ask once again ----- HAVE YOU NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME???

Thank you, all mighty wise and knowlegeable. Keep telling us lowly "commuter" pilots how it REALLY is!!

 

[General Lee]

79%N1,

Come on man---this is an open board---and I have contributed my $$$---so that gives me the right to voice my opinion. If you don't like hearing the "truth" (which you obviously Don't)---then I suggest you go to another board.....

As far as what I do with my time---well, I have said it before--I like to lift weights, go on bike rides with my wife when it is warm, and I fly probably 3 days a week---whenever they call me. I also like watching TV----that Conan O'Brien is really funny--along with John Stewart. I also like to cook out doors--like on the barbeque. I love cooking steaks, and pork chops, and also chicken if it is good quality. Have I wasted enough of your time reading this? Good. Take Care buddy.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Russ]

Always nice to see fellowaviator calling others names that could be as easily attached to him(her?) I give you your props(collectively that is) with the contract. Just don't forget your PFT start to the industry and the damage you made when you decided to buy your job years ago. One good deed does not undo your original sin. The catch term these days is downward spiral. I don't pretend to know where it all started but at least a chapter or two of the book on it should cover the evils of PFT. Should I expect the standard retort of I didn't buy my job, I was one of the tiny percentage that got my job by_____ and not by PFT. Laws of average make me believe you did, but even if you did manage it otherwise, the vast majority from your claimed time frame did buy their job. Do you find it easy to call others "whores" when you look in the mirror and around the crew lounge and see fellow whores as you call them? You have forgiven yourself and others in your airline your small part in the downward spiral. Good for you, just reflect on your travels before you take the high road.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

All I remember during good times was the mantra "Date of hire...Date of hire.." for a possible seniority merger between companies. Why wouldn't our guys have wanted a staple? They did---but you guys wanted "it all." Your fault. Truth hurts.

Hey General, thats not true. Nothing in the PID of 2000 mentioned date of hire. Some of the senior guys at ASA and Comair mentioned it and spread to DAL like wildfire and pissed you guys off. But to my knowledge, the PID never mentioned how the integration of the companies would work. Most of our guys assumed it would be a staple.

 

[79%N1]

Hey Gen.....You and I could probably be buds....I also am an avid bike rider, I also think Conan and J Stew are funny (also Dave Chapelle) and love to cook out steaks, chicken , etc on the grill. I just have to ad that it gets boring how you have to jump in and hijack these regional threads when you do not fly at the regionals. We dont see Netjet guys jumping in here all the time, or cargo guys. Just you, and on EVERY Comair/ASA thread. I get your points, I just agree with exactly NONE of them. Despite that, you are probably a cool guy. Just give it a bit of a rest with your ANTI DCI WHOLLY OWNED DRIVEL!

See ya

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Generally,

Yes, you might just have to take your chances, and Delta would love to give you some "brown sugar in your..." thanks to your great strike....

Whatever that means? Not sure I want to know. Don't ask don't tell right?

And, I am so glad that the 300 hour wonders are bettter than the furloughed guys (no Delta furloughs I think--why would they go there with seniority resignation?)----I am glad that you get to do IOE on them every flight.... Do you get paid extra for that? I didn't think so...

I'm glad that your glad. As for the rest of it, well it's just like your other 3000 posts that are uninformed, full of half truths and twisted versions of what was said to begin with.

I will think about you guys when I am having a beer in Mainz (near FRA).

Yeah well I'm going to XNA tonight so there!

Enjoy your day chief.....

That's sir to you maggot! And a good day to you!

AMF

 

[skiddriver]

Skiddrivr,

I personally don't care if this is your last or first stage in your carreer. If you are at Comair---I can see why you don't want pay cuts, and might want larger aircraft coming your way. Dalpa is not negotiating your pay---DELTA wants lower pay--and will show you with no growth. You guys better hope we actually get some negotiating done here or you WILL lose pay--via the judge. Your current wages will be reduced to your peers---MESA. I would change your attitude really quick--get behind us giving 15-20%--or else you will be giving 30% yourselves....Truth hurts.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Two things here. First, I don't mind what Gen L has to say on this issue. It is an open discussion board and this is still the good old USA.

But...Dalpa has no business insisting that we (the other labor groups) take a pay cut. It's not up to them to negotiate that with Delta Inc. That's up to my MEC negotiating with my employer. We may need to, we may not. Anyone who isn't employed at Comair can read about it in the paper. The reverse situation is also true. Dalpa can give up pay or not. None of my business.

However, if the MEC's want to get together and come up with a unified position as equal members, well I'm cool with that. It not only makes sense to do so, but it's probably the smart thing to do as well. In any case, on this issue, my MEC speaks for me.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

That was remarkably mature and level headed. Is this flightinfo or the twilight zone? Must be one those squared away Army guys!

AMF

 

[General Lee]

Skiddrivr,

Thanks for allowing me to actually give my opinion without acting like "ream me" blasting me. You may not agree with me, and that is ok. First of all, I know Delta wants money from you---not just Dalpa. And, Dalpa only stated that since this is a "Delta problem, there should be a Delta solution." That means that everyone has a stake in this. I think it is obvious that we at mainline actually want to take some sort of cuts, and we probably started with a low ball offer---but it was a start. We are still ready to actually sit down and talk---but nothing from them.....It is not fair to just target one group---and what about management and their huge bonuses? I read that the NW MEC wants their management to take the same percentage cut as the pilots----who is accountable these days? We lose more than $1 billion last year, and Leo takes $16 million home. Grinstein is after all of our union contracts---yours and mine. Would I like our MECs to meet and figure this out---sure--but that would take some participation on your side and probably some sort of cuts.(not even close to ours) Your side can't just be the beneficiaries---like getting 70 seat RJ relief. Sure, you might get some--but that would come with compromise. Remember here---I keep saying that we would take a heck of a lot larger cut than you would--no doubt. It is obvious that Grinstein doesn't want the others to get unions--and is trying to get it all from the one group that he actually HAS TO negotiate with. If it leads to Chap 11---then he himself will be replaced by a judge and a bunch of bankers---and he doesn't want that either.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DDpaysoff]

Truer words were never spoken er.. written! Unfortunately people like generally are more concerned with having someone to share in their misery than they are in making the smart play on this one.
It has been said before, but here is as good a place as any to repeat with EMPHASIS so pay attention because your country club lifestyle you are so fond of flaunting may well depend upon you and your minions understanding the following:

I WILL NOT, REPEAT NOT, TAKE ONE CENT OF A PAY CUT EVEN IF IT HAIR LIPS EVERY GAUD DAM ONE OF YOU. I WILL BURN THIS MUTHERFUQER DOWN FIRST!

Now, if you doubt my resolve or more importantly, doubt our resolve as a group on this one and are willing to risk everything because you don't think it is fair ( juvenile concept anyway - fairness ) that you take a pay cut and we don't, then hide and watch!

AMF

I second that!
When they get paid per seat, what I get paid per seat then I will listen. When they put all of us on one list and have one voice instead of one and two halves, then it is our problem.

Fking amazing how we are three separate airlines, and how the delta brand no longer exists, but when it is time to cut pay, we should take one for the TEAM. LOLOLOL. I will do whatever it takes to help delta survive and thrive when I am at delta. Right now we have our own problems to deal with.

I don't like the fact that leo and his crook friends raped delta for millions and jetted out. I don't like the fact that the delta pilots have to be the ones to make the sacrifice neccessary to fix what leo and his team did. I don't like the fact that Delta pilots are on the street. I don't like the fact that delta seems to think they can play ASA and CMR against each other like puppets.
But, until somebody steps up and makes us one unified group, it is not my problem. You have two entire pilot groups that would give their blood, sweat, and soul to delta, but you don't seem to want to have them on the same list as you.

 

[skiddriver]

Gen L

Actually, as you may be aware, when our MEC met with Comair management over the RFP, pay cuts and other company cost savings were discussed. Our MEC said that there were some circumstances under which we might be willing to reopen the contract (ASA/CMR pilot list merger being one). I don't believe this is finished by a long shot, but our MEC did a pretty decent job on the last contract negotiations, and I don't think that our running to management offering a predetermined percentage paycut makes good tactical sense.

Just as you said for us, it's Delta that wants Delta mainline to take a paycut. They want to reduce DCI cost too, but they are held at arm's reach from us right now by the DCI/portfolio structure. They can sell us off, or fire the DCI executives, but as long as Delta management won't sit down at the table with us and negotiate directly, they can't directly ask for a paycut. Comair can, but our contract isn't amendable, and so far all we were asked to do was give up pay to get a tentative commitment on all of the 45 RFP aircraft. We said no (because our MEC's requests were dismissed out of hand) and the aircraft went somewhere else. That's all over now. No one at Comair is currently asking for any pay cuts or contract relief, because they have nothing to offer us. Delta does, but they'll have to sit down at the table to do so, and I don't think that will happen any time soon. So right now, you and I may posit that Delta wants us to take a pay cut, and the DCI execs may say so publically, but no one is formally asking for them.


XRMEFLYR

Marine Corps, though I did spend a year with the Army at the War College in Carlisle. ARMY TRAINING SIR!

 

[General Lee]

Skiddrvr,

I know, and I thought I saw a CVG article that stated that you weren't going to get any of the RFP airplanes because you were "high cost...." I think it is a matter of time before they will "formally" ask you. Hopefully before that we at mainline can get things done and get to the negotiating table......Take care---I just got a three day----hasta.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Generally you are taking multiple shotgun rounds to the chest daily not only because of what you say:

It is not fair to just target one group

Fair has got nothing to do with it junior. What are you 10 years old? Life aint fair by your own admission:

Pilots at mainline will always be paid more and have better benies--period. That is reality.

You and your girlfriend spanksalot were those little fat kids in junior high that never got picked for the pickup football games so they sat on the sidelines and ran their cakehole until they got the crap kicked out of them and then cried about being picked on:

Thanks for allowing me to actually give my opinion without acting like "ream me" blasting me.

Poor little old innocent you! Just exercising your constitutional right to free speech and WHAM, out of nowhere mean old Army guy harpoons you like the oxygen thieving waste of skin you are. "MOMMY THEY WERE MEAN TO ME AT SCHOOL TODAY WAAAAAAA!" Slap some vagisil on that thing Mary!
More importantly it's the condescending way in which you say what you have to say:

What will you be doing in 30 years on the golf course? Will you be a player or a caddie? Will you be retired or just plain tired? You may be the tired one, but atleast you flew a 737 at Comair!! Wasn't that fun? Was it worth it? I thought so..........now find my ball in the tall grass!!

Oh yeah, now I know why----you are at Comair. You guys are desperate. You are actually trying to bring a higher paying job down to the regionals and transforming it into a lower paying job. Good one. Enjoy it.

And the list goes on and on and on and on and.... you are either a pompous egotistical self righteous punk who has clearly forgotten from where you came from or you just like to stir up sh!t.
Either way, just like your compulsion for taking beatings, I have this need to hand them out when they are warranted. So you see we are perfect for one another! If you would just get rid of that little slut spanksalot we could be so happy together!

AMF