Article: Comair not a 'give-up' airline

[General Lee]

Looks like I struck a nerve---more than once. Oh well.

XRMEFlyer,

You really are a goof--aren't you? But hey, you sure are sure that you guys will never give up pay. Ok---whatever......just watch chief...either you will voluntarily---or some day if we go Chap 11 you will via the judge. And everyone on this board has said, "This hiring rule has been COMAIR's rule for six decades.."(?)..... Sounds like Comair isn't really going out of it's way to help our furloughs....Hmmmm. Sounds like they have too many 300 hour wonders from the DCI Academy streaming in to help our furloughs....Enjoy!


Skiddrivr,

I personally don't care if this is your last or first stage in your carreer. If you are at Comair---I can see why you don't want pay cuts, and might want larger aircraft coming your way. Dalpa is not negotiating your pay---DELTA wants lower pay--and will show you with no growth. You guys better hope we actually get some negotiating done here or you WILL lose pay--via the judge. Your current wages will be reduced to your peers---MESA. I would change your attitude really quick--get behind us giving 15-20%--or else you will be giving 30% yourselves....Truth hurts.

Nindiri,

All I remember during good times was the mantra "Date of hire...Date of hire.." for a possible seniority merger between companies. Why wouldn't our guys have wanted a staple? They did---but you guys wanted "it all." Your fault. Truth hurts.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

Comair-Enjoy the stagnation.........and your award winning contract!

Some of us don't want to spend the rest of our lives working at some regional. Fact is I'll probably be a captain at Jblu, or SWA by the time some of your second year FO's upgrade.

Enjoy it though..............

Another dreamer willing to work for peanuts for a job which (statistically) will never happen for him.

 

[Nindiri]

All I remember during good times was the mantra "Date of hire...Date of hire.." for a possible seniority merger between companies.

And you reminded them (Comair) that they were a separate company and that they were not Delta. Now when it's convenient for you, you've changed your mind.

 

[WmuBronco]

embraerdriver=just another loose whore

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Generally,

Looks like I struck a nerve---more than once. Oh well.

Yeah, oh well is right. Just can't help being yourself can you?

You really are a goof--aren't you?

Come on hero you can do better than that!

you sure are sure that you guys will never give up pay. Ok---whatever......just watch chief...either you will voluntarily---or some day if we go Chap 11 you will via the judge.

I will take my chances with the judge, but it will NOT happen voluntarily.

This hiring rule has been COMAIR's rule for six decades.."(?)..... Sounds like Comair isn't really going out of it's way to help our furloughs....Hmmmm.

Six decades huh? Your ignorance of the situation aside, it was and continues to be a Delta decision. And as for the 300 hour wonders, I've flown with several of them and several furloughs in the past few years and without question the low timers were better prepared, more motivated squared away individuals on the whole. It comes down to attitude and they have the right one while some (certainly not all) of their more experienced colleagues feel that the world owes them a living. You can relate to that right?

You guys better hope we actually get some negotiating done here or you WILL lose pay--via the judge. Your current wages will be reduced to your peers---MESA. I would change your attitude really quick--get behind us giving 15-20%--or else you will be giving 30% yourselves....Truth hurts.

First, Mesa is not so far behind us that we would even notice the difference can you say the same? Doesn't matter, it will not be given away. The vast majority of us have a whole heck of a lot less to lose in this than you girls do. The "300 hour wonders" are for the most part young they would do just fine in the long run, and there are plenty of us who can still wear our nations uniform and participate in the festivities overseas for more than what we are currently earning. What is the average mainline guy's backup plan for pulling down 150-250k a year?

but you guys wanted "it all." Your fault.

Actually that didn't work out too badly for us did it? So if it makes you feel any better, yeah My bad!

 

[General Lee]

HA HA HA HA

Ream me,

Yes, you might just have to take your chances, and Delta would love to give you some "brown sugar in your..." thanks to your great strike....

My "six decades" comment was a joke--since you guys seem to love to say that the rule has been engraved in stone since Moses. So stupid. And, I am so glad that the 300 hour wonders are bettter than the furloughed guys (no Delta furloughs I think--why would they go there with seniority resignation?)----I am glad that you get to do IOE on them every flight.... Do you get paid extra for that? I didn't think so...

I am glad that Mesa's contract is close to yours---that will make it not so hard to take. Most of our senior guys won't stay around to see 30% pay cuts--so they will bail and I will upgrade to 777 FO, and my pay cut won't be as bad---but I will think about you guys when I am having a beer in Mainz (near FRA). Enjoy your day chief.....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Once again, Delta's, or more precicely - DALPA'S - spokesman has hijacked a thread that he has NOTHING TO DO WITH! How many times does this egomaniac have to spew his DALPA rhetoric at us? Would ANY of you think about injecting EVERY Delta mainline thread with you "opinions" on the state of Delta and what Delta pilots ought to do, or ought to think???? I, for one, am so UNBELIEVABLY sick of GL hijacking every DCI thread! I ask once again ----- HAVE YOU NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME???

Thank you, all mighty wise and knowlegeable. Keep telling us lowly "commuter" pilots how it REALLY is!!

 

[General Lee]

79%N1,

Come on man---this is an open board---and I have contributed my $$$---so that gives me the right to voice my opinion. If you don't like hearing the "truth" (which you obviously Don't)---then I suggest you go to another board.....

As far as what I do with my time---well, I have said it before--I like to lift weights, go on bike rides with my wife when it is warm, and I fly probably 3 days a week---whenever they call me. I also like watching TV----that Conan O'Brien is really funny--along with John Stewart. I also like to cook out doors--like on the barbeque. I love cooking steaks, and pork chops, and also chicken if it is good quality. Have I wasted enough of your time reading this? Good. Take Care buddy.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Russ]

Always nice to see fellowaviator calling others names that could be as easily attached to him(her?) I give you your props(collectively that is) with the contract. Just don't forget your PFT start to the industry and the damage you made when you decided to buy your job years ago. One good deed does not undo your original sin. The catch term these days is downward spiral. I don't pretend to know where it all started but at least a chapter or two of the book on it should cover the evils of PFT. Should I expect the standard retort of I didn't buy my job, I was one of the tiny percentage that got my job by_____ and not by PFT. Laws of average make me believe you did, but even if you did manage it otherwise, the vast majority from your claimed time frame did buy their job. Do you find it easy to call others "whores" when you look in the mirror and around the crew lounge and see fellow whores as you call them? You have forgiven yourself and others in your airline your small part in the downward spiral. Good for you, just reflect on your travels before you take the high road.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

All I remember during good times was the mantra "Date of hire...Date of hire.." for a possible seniority merger between companies. Why wouldn't our guys have wanted a staple? They did---but you guys wanted "it all." Your fault. Truth hurts.

Hey General, thats not true. Nothing in the PID of 2000 mentioned date of hire. Some of the senior guys at ASA and Comair mentioned it and spread to DAL like wildfire and pissed you guys off. But to my knowledge, the PID never mentioned how the integration of the companies would work. Most of our guys assumed it would be a staple.

 

[79%N1]

Hey Gen.....You and I could probably be buds....I also am an avid bike rider, I also think Conan and J Stew are funny (also Dave Chapelle) and love to cook out steaks, chicken , etc on the grill. I just have to ad that it gets boring how you have to jump in and hijack these regional threads when you do not fly at the regionals. We dont see Netjet guys jumping in here all the time, or cargo guys. Just you, and on EVERY Comair/ASA thread. I get your points, I just agree with exactly NONE of them. Despite that, you are probably a cool guy. Just give it a bit of a rest with your ANTI DCI WHOLLY OWNED DRIVEL!

See ya

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Generally,

Yes, you might just have to take your chances, and Delta would love to give you some "brown sugar in your..." thanks to your great strike....

Whatever that means? Not sure I want to know. Don't ask don't tell right?

And, I am so glad that the 300 hour wonders are bettter than the furloughed guys (no Delta furloughs I think--why would they go there with seniority resignation?)----I am glad that you get to do IOE on them every flight.... Do you get paid extra for that? I didn't think so...

I'm glad that your glad. As for the rest of it, well it's just like your other 3000 posts that are uninformed, full of half truths and twisted versions of what was said to begin with.

I will think about you guys when I am having a beer in Mainz (near FRA).

Yeah well I'm going to XNA tonight so there!

Enjoy your day chief.....

That's sir to you maggot! And a good day to you!

AMF

 

[skiddriver]

Skiddrivr,

I personally don't care if this is your last or first stage in your carreer. If you are at Comair---I can see why you don't want pay cuts, and might want larger aircraft coming your way. Dalpa is not negotiating your pay---DELTA wants lower pay--and will show you with no growth. You guys better hope we actually get some negotiating done here or you WILL lose pay--via the judge. Your current wages will be reduced to your peers---MESA. I would change your attitude really quick--get behind us giving 15-20%--or else you will be giving 30% yourselves....Truth hurts.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Two things here. First, I don't mind what Gen L has to say on this issue. It is an open discussion board and this is still the good old USA.

But...Dalpa has no business insisting that we (the other labor groups) take a pay cut. It's not up to them to negotiate that with Delta Inc. That's up to my MEC negotiating with my employer. We may need to, we may not. Anyone who isn't employed at Comair can read about it in the paper. The reverse situation is also true. Dalpa can give up pay or not. None of my business.

However, if the MEC's want to get together and come up with a unified position as equal members, well I'm cool with that. It not only makes sense to do so, but it's probably the smart thing to do as well. In any case, on this issue, my MEC speaks for me.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

That was remarkably mature and level headed. Is this flightinfo or the twilight zone? Must be one those squared away Army guys!

AMF

 

[General Lee]

Skiddrivr,

Thanks for allowing me to actually give my opinion without acting like "ream me" blasting me. You may not agree with me, and that is ok. First of all, I know Delta wants money from you---not just Dalpa. And, Dalpa only stated that since this is a "Delta problem, there should be a Delta solution." That means that everyone has a stake in this. I think it is obvious that we at mainline actually want to take some sort of cuts, and we probably started with a low ball offer---but it was a start. We are still ready to actually sit down and talk---but nothing from them.....It is not fair to just target one group---and what about management and their huge bonuses? I read that the NW MEC wants their management to take the same percentage cut as the pilots----who is accountable these days? We lose more than $1 billion last year, and Leo takes $16 million home. Grinstein is after all of our union contracts---yours and mine. Would I like our MECs to meet and figure this out---sure--but that would take some participation on your side and probably some sort of cuts.(not even close to ours) Your side can't just be the beneficiaries---like getting 70 seat RJ relief. Sure, you might get some--but that would come with compromise. Remember here---I keep saying that we would take a heck of a lot larger cut than you would--no doubt. It is obvious that Grinstein doesn't want the others to get unions--and is trying to get it all from the one group that he actually HAS TO negotiate with. If it leads to Chap 11---then he himself will be replaced by a judge and a bunch of bankers---and he doesn't want that either.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DDpaysoff]

Truer words were never spoken er.. written! Unfortunately people like generally are more concerned with having someone to share in their misery than they are in making the smart play on this one.
It has been said before, but here is as good a place as any to repeat with EMPHASIS so pay attention because your country club lifestyle you are so fond of flaunting may well depend upon you and your minions understanding the following:

I WILL NOT, REPEAT NOT, TAKE ONE CENT OF A PAY CUT EVEN IF IT HAIR LIPS EVERY GAUD DAM ONE OF YOU. I WILL BURN THIS MUTHERFUQER DOWN FIRST!

Now, if you doubt my resolve or more importantly, doubt our resolve as a group on this one and are willing to risk everything because you don't think it is fair ( juvenile concept anyway - fairness ) that you take a pay cut and we don't, then hide and watch!

AMF

I second that!
When they get paid per seat, what I get paid per seat then I will listen. When they put all of us on one list and have one voice instead of one and two halves, then it is our problem.

Fking amazing how we are three separate airlines, and how the delta brand no longer exists, but when it is time to cut pay, we should take one for the TEAM. LOLOLOL. I will do whatever it takes to help delta survive and thrive when I am at delta. Right now we have our own problems to deal with.

I don't like the fact that leo and his crook friends raped delta for millions and jetted out. I don't like the fact that the delta pilots have to be the ones to make the sacrifice neccessary to fix what leo and his team did. I don't like the fact that Delta pilots are on the street. I don't like the fact that delta seems to think they can play ASA and CMR against each other like puppets.
But, until somebody steps up and makes us one unified group, it is not my problem. You have two entire pilot groups that would give their blood, sweat, and soul to delta, but you don't seem to want to have them on the same list as you.

 

[skiddriver]

Gen L

Actually, as you may be aware, when our MEC met with Comair management over the RFP, pay cuts and other company cost savings were discussed. Our MEC said that there were some circumstances under which we might be willing to reopen the contract (ASA/CMR pilot list merger being one). I don't believe this is finished by a long shot, but our MEC did a pretty decent job on the last contract negotiations, and I don't think that our running to management offering a predetermined percentage paycut makes good tactical sense.

Just as you said for us, it's Delta that wants Delta mainline to take a paycut. They want to reduce DCI cost too, but they are held at arm's reach from us right now by the DCI/portfolio structure. They can sell us off, or fire the DCI executives, but as long as Delta management won't sit down at the table with us and negotiate directly, they can't directly ask for a paycut. Comair can, but our contract isn't amendable, and so far all we were asked to do was give up pay to get a tentative commitment on all of the 45 RFP aircraft. We said no (because our MEC's requests were dismissed out of hand) and the aircraft went somewhere else. That's all over now. No one at Comair is currently asking for any pay cuts or contract relief, because they have nothing to offer us. Delta does, but they'll have to sit down at the table to do so, and I don't think that will happen any time soon. So right now, you and I may posit that Delta wants us to take a pay cut, and the DCI execs may say so publically, but no one is formally asking for them.


XRMEFLYR

Marine Corps, though I did spend a year with the Army at the War College in Carlisle. ARMY TRAINING SIR!

 

[General Lee]

Skiddrvr,

I know, and I thought I saw a CVG article that stated that you weren't going to get any of the RFP airplanes because you were "high cost...." I think it is a matter of time before they will "formally" ask you. Hopefully before that we at mainline can get things done and get to the negotiating table......Take care---I just got a three day----hasta.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Generally you are taking multiple shotgun rounds to the chest daily not only because of what you say:

It is not fair to just target one group

Fair has got nothing to do with it junior. What are you 10 years old? Life aint fair by your own admission:

Pilots at mainline will always be paid more and have better benies--period. That is reality.

You and your girlfriend spanksalot were those little fat kids in junior high that never got picked for the pickup football games so they sat on the sidelines and ran their cakehole until they got the crap kicked out of them and then cried about being picked on:

Thanks for allowing me to actually give my opinion without acting like "ream me" blasting me.

Poor little old innocent you! Just exercising your constitutional right to free speech and WHAM, out of nowhere mean old Army guy harpoons you like the oxygen thieving waste of skin you are. "MOMMY THEY WERE MEAN TO ME AT SCHOOL TODAY WAAAAAAA!" Slap some vagisil on that thing Mary!
More importantly it's the condescending way in which you say what you have to say:

What will you be doing in 30 years on the golf course? Will you be a player or a caddie? Will you be retired or just plain tired? You may be the tired one, but atleast you flew a 737 at Comair!! Wasn't that fun? Was it worth it? I thought so..........now find my ball in the tall grass!!

Oh yeah, now I know why----you are at Comair. You guys are desperate. You are actually trying to bring a higher paying job down to the regionals and transforming it into a lower paying job. Good one. Enjoy it.

And the list goes on and on and on and on and.... you are either a pompous egotistical self righteous punk who has clearly forgotten from where you came from or you just like to stir up sh!t.
Either way, just like your compulsion for taking beatings, I have this need to hand them out when they are warranted. So you see we are perfect for one another! If you would just get rid of that little slut spanksalot we could be so happy together!

AMF