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Hey man, I was just yanking your chain a little for jumping on the guy so quick. It's no big deal - you're right about his titling of the thread but it's nothing to get worked up about. I was just having fun man.
So was I man. In fact, in my long-winded and bifurcated response, I was really just practicing writing...while trying to keep it somewhat relevant.

In fact, I was just reviewing that turd I wrote and found a sentence where I had written a question and forgot to put a question mark after it...hahahahaha! People in glass houses should not throw stones...the kettle calling the pot black...do as I say, not as I do...yadda yadda yadda.

You are right; now that you mention it, I do remember the flows post. Flows are good! In fact, our facilitators down at the sim place were very adamant about using them. Great post on your part, by the way.

As far as busting on the kid...yea, I have to learn not to show my ass. I have been working on it for a long time now...I think I have improved over the years. I still can't resist a good target of opportunity now and then though.

You are right, and I agree...the question as to what the airline should or could do with this pilot is not a stupid one!

I think they should (without union consideration...this is just off the top of my head) at least keep him retained at full pay until there is a conviction, but I think it would be crazy to let him fly the line. Even if this pilot is innocent...he will have a lot on his mind and should not fly until he has his court date.

Where I worked at before I got into flying, a paper mill called James River Corp in GRB, there was a murder of a coworker by coworkers. They tossed him in a paper re-pulping vat, because he called the police on one of the "gang" and told them that there was going to be a theft of an extension cord.

http://www.truthinjustice.org/piaskowski-decision.htm

http://www.victimbar.org/vb/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=37386

I don't know what the pay status of the employees was leading into the trial, I believe they were suspended with pay pending trial. However, to make a long story even dumber, one of the 6 guys that was convicted for murder, got a federal court to overturn his conviction about 6 years after his imprisonment.

Here is where things get interesting, just before the federal courts acquitted this guy, his wife won a lawsuit against him that allowed her to get 100 percent of his retirement plan. Obviously, she had divorced her so called "murderer" husband.

So now, this poor joker convicted of murder with the others as a group, is a free and acquitted man. He lost his family, lost his pension, lost a very lucrative job and lost all that time and money defending him self against the murder charge and of course, he lost all that time in prison.

Here is what's not going to happen to this guy. His wife aint going to just come running back. She aint going to give up all that retirement money she sued him for. The mill aint going to offer him his old job back with back pay, and father time aint going to roll the clock back for him to recoup the '90s for him...he'll have nothing to reminisce pleasantly about while listening to Casey Casum play the '90s hits.

What he will be able to do, is sue like a mutha-for-yah. Just like my cop friend, who was a 16 year veteran cop and detective with the GBPD, that lost his job over handing the "gang" the dispatch tape of Tom Monfiles calling in the report of the extension cord theft. The gang got the tape because of the Freedom Of information Act.

Nothing like a little ‘stension cord, causing so much hub-bub.

Anyway, you see my correlation. These mill jobs paid 40 to 60 thousand a year (1990's wages by the way) and people were willing to kill to keep their jobs. When the prosecutors decided to try this case, they tried all these guys as one...since none of them would "squeal" on the other.

Well, I sure to the prosecutors dismay, it must be fun being sued. Same with James River, the police department and whoever else may be finding themselves getting listed on a tort case in an effort to make this innocent mans life "whole" again.

So, what do we do with the pilot? That is in fact, not such a stupid question. With the reputation of an ailing airline at stake, millions of dollars of wages and retirement benefits at stake, lots of liability issues at stake, parents in jeopardy of winding up in jail, children permanently injured by an alleged early introduction to partying, estates to sue...lot's going on here.

I think it is safe to say the airline should not let him fly but pay him till he is convicted. After that, only a genie could predict whether a decade later the guy is going to wind up getting acquitted after a review of his case by a supreme court, thus leading the way for a large lawsuit.

Thanks for the reply Big Duke Six...and the Kid with the flow problems is just going to have to grab his boot straps and get going on a good rejoinder when he gets a head noogie. He's gotta learn to stand his ground, regroup and deliver superior return fire.
 
Oh look guys, I've been insulted by a moron who has a picuture of Val Kilmer (or someone resembling Val Kilmer) shooting a rifle. FN FAL or whatever the hell your name is...5000 hours and still working 135. Yeah, you got me real good. See you in the airport as you think to yourself why you haven't made it the majors yet. Oh wait, let me guess, it's because of those women and minority pilots, right? Yeah, that's it.


You call THAT a rejoinder? Come on, you can do better than that! Do a search...I have never used the "I can't get a job at the majors because I'm a white male!" as a story line. Sorry, I am a RepubliCAN, not a RepubliCAN'T! If I was a Democrat, I could see blaming others for my position in life...booo hooo...the government should do something to help me!

I am not done and I am not yet down and out as a contender against you for a flying job. Call me back when you can actually compete, DUDE. I bet with all your chirping like a little school girl, you aren't even competitive enough to put in a resume at my 135 job!

As far as 5,000 hours goes...Ha...I spent my time in RJ-85 regional training in East Berlin. Got my paid 5 week oversees vacation in a luxury hotel in Koopernick and 38 hours of Lufthansa sim time to boot. You can have it. In fact, you can have it at pay for training rates. I left a 38K a year 135 job flying PAX in air taxi operations to check out a regional, and when it didn't work out between them and me, I found that I could pick and choose interviews when I got home because I had flight time and a resume. (So go ahead and pick on the flight time sonny, it is all good and it is all PIC).

Months after my paid vacation at the regional, I was sitting in my little 135 cockpit, when I tuned in the ADF and heard of the President’s advisement of the twin tower attacks. I did not see one day of furlough after 9/11.

Even though my 135-job situation was good, I realized that my little debacle at that regional was not going to be the end of my desire to find a higher place in aviation. Therefore, I am using my fantastic schedule, great pay, and the job security of my 135 job to participate in college and polish off a BA degree.

I missed the threat of a strike and working two years without a contract at that regional...but while I was there, I gained a great insight into how jet crews work in 121, plus I got 38 hours of glass cockpit, auto throttle, auto land, fadec equipped aircraft full motion simulator time. Moreover, I got the experience of the 121 ground school.

I may never get a major airline job, but I may use my skills and experience to do other things. Such as become an author, become a technical consultant, start my own managed part 91 fractional flight department (did that already hoss...it's how I got my first 270 hours of MULTI TIME PAID FOR AND I GOT PAID WHILE DOING IT...hahahaha...figure that one out dumass).

You can put your template of what your perception of what makes a flying career on my life and say, "whatever"! All I can say is this much...I bought my own turbocharged 300 series twin (with partners) to build multi time and I made it pay for itself. I made no less than 25,000 a year while teaching at a 10-day instrument school as my first and last CFI job, and I made no less than 33,000 a year while working in 135...ever. In fact the lowest I made while in aviation, was the creepy little 510 bucks a month I got while at the regional, training to be a FO in a four engine jet airliner. You can have that crap; I got a lifestyle to maintain.

My current 135 schedule is only 12 days a month. I am at my home every night except for when I get weathered in and cannot make it home to the hub. I don't RON or have to wear a pager or cell phone...did I mention schedule? They do not call my house ever, except to ask me to fill out a vacation slip...hahaha! In addition, since I got a schedule...I can plan a year in advance for things...like going to school and getting that BA degree.

See you in the funny papers dude!
 
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FN FAL,

it just gives me a "warm fuzzy" to know you fly airplanes.
When you were here before
Couldnt look you in the eye
Youre just like an angel
Your skin makes me cry
You float like a feather
In a beautiful world
And I wish I was special
Youre so fu@kin special
But Im a creep, Im a weirdo.
What the hell am I doing here?
I dont belong here.
I dont care if it hurts
I want to have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul
I want you to notice
When Im not around
Youre so fu@kin special
I wish I was special
But Im a creep, Im a weirdo.
What the hell am I doing here?
I dont belong here.
Shes running out again,
Shes running out
Shes run run run running out...
Whatever makes you happy
Whatever you want
Youre so fu@kin special
I wish I was special...
But Im a creep, Im a weirdo,
What the hell am I doing here?
I dont belong here.
I dont belong here.
 
HUH?

FN FAL said:
...why should I hold a commercial pilot to a higher standard of EFFECTIVE communication?

I mean...it is not as if I could have prevented a "BEDFORD INCIDENT" or anything like that.

P.S. Was not was a stupid question?
That's the point where I got lost...
 
P.S. Was not was a stupid question?

That's the point where I got lost...
Yes...we do kind of SEGUE with hard turn there.

Main Entry: 1se·gue
Pronunciation: 'se-(")gwA, 'sA-
Function: verb imperative
Etymology: Italian, there follows, from seguire to follow, from Latin sequi -- more at SUE
1 : proceed to what follows without pause -- used as a direction in music
2 : perform the music that follows like that which has preceded -- used as a direction in music


"Was not was a stupid question?" was more of a semantical buzz job by me.

What I menaced to say was... "Was it or was it not a stupid question?" At this time I am trying to state that I was coming to agreement that I jumped the gun on calling the original posters QUESTION stupid.

As we can see in the Piaskowski case...A man is tried not as an individual, but as a member of a gang. He is convicted with the group. He later on his own gets the federal courts to overturn his conviction. This places him in a position to sue for millions.

Now...jumping back to what the kid originally asked...what should, and what could, United do to or for their pilot to minimize liability?

Lets say Captain Party Favor gets fired right now, then it takes another two years to get him convicted in court...then comes 6 more years up the road and Captain Party Favor gets his conviction overturned in Federal Court...where does United stand in the liabilty chain here?

Should the pilot be fired? Should they pay him and keep his employment status till conviction?

I don't know what the union does in these cases...so I am just asking.
 

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