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your_dreamguy

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A few days ago, there was a post about a UAL Captain who got arrested and then paid bail for drinking, drugs, etc. with teens.
Does anyone know if United fired him? Can UAL fire a pilot for something in his personal life? Also, would ALPA try to take action if an airline attempted to fire a pilot for being arrested for something in their personal life?
If the UAL captain got out on bail, even if he could return to work...how would he? I mean if your out on bail, don't you have to stay in the same county, state? I'm sure he couldn't fly international.
 
airlines dont do jack to employees i had a problem with a AA pilot stalking and harrasing my wife. But they think its ok with these guys flying a plane load full of people. Alot of people dont have a full deck.
 
Arrested UAL Captain Followup
A few days ago, there was a post about a UAL Captain who got arrested and then paid bail for drinking, drugs, etc. with teens.
Does anyone know if United fired him? Can UAL fire a pilot for something in his personal life? Also, would ALPA try to take action if an airline attempted to fire a pilot for being arrested for something in their personal life?
If the UAL captain got out on bail, even if he could return to work...how would he? I mean if your out on bail, don't you have to stay in the same county, state? I'm sure he couldn't fly international.
Hey dummass...a follow up means you are providing additional information, not asking stupid questions.
 
He's not asking stupid questions, he just wants more info!

Speaking of stupid, did you ever settle the issue of no-good flows with your employer?
 
How about inocent until proven guilty. Just because sh1t happens doesn't mean it cost you your entire life. Even when someone is trying to make it!
 
He's not asking stupid questions, he just wants more info!
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All of you are smart asses.

Speaking of asses, take your mind of this bullsh!t and check out this ass to the left! MMMM MMMM GOOD! :D
 
It's too bad that just about every post nowadays deteriorates into a waste of reading.
 
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Hey, FN, not to pick nits here or anything, but there are also such things as "follow-up questions". The guy may be stupid about his flows, but you really jumped his $hit pretty hard there.
 
I think it's too bad it took this post so long to descend into the gutter!;) TC

"Whad'ya mean ya don't drink? What are ya? A FAG?" From the essential Harry Carey
 
Hey, FN, not to pick nits here or anything, but there are also such things as "follow-up questions". The guy may be stupid about his flows, but you really jumped his $hit pretty hard there.
I'm not privy to his problems with flows...I use them extensively during my 135 Sim rides, check rides, and day to day flying. Moreover, I still manage to get the required checklists done. We are a single pilot operation, so we cannot delegate anything to a co-pilot. Get behind while flying single pilot IFR and you could become designated PNF very quickly.

Without flows, you would be buried easily. During my last Level D sim training and sim check-ride, I would be hit with an emergency or have to perform a go around, hit the flow, get the plane doing what I wanted it to do and then reach over and grab that checklist and read the required items.

Whether It was a generator failure or something simple like an after takeoff check. As I read the items, I checked to make sure they were done, then I would state loudly enough for the instructor or check airman to hear..."after takeoff checklist complete"...then I would slap that checklist down and move on to the flying. Level off, complete the flow, pick up the checklist and check, then I would state... "Level off checklist complete!” And so on.

Flows mean that you "UNDERSTAND" what you are doing and know your airplane in and out, and that you have built in good habits of merging the checklists and PIM into your flying. Your flows will be perfect and your reading of the checklists will reflect that.

As a single pilot 135 flyer I know that I can rely on flows to help me get organized FAST when it's dark out, lightning is flashing nearby, the digital OAT is jumping from +1 to -1 at every turn, I'm tired, I got an oxygen mask strapped onto my face, I'm trying to get caught up on paperwork and then the generator suddenly drops off line, leaving me on battery power because the load was to high for the standby alternator to continue to help out.

Here, is where flows will get you back up and running quickly. Here, is where you do not want to be reading a book on how to fly an airplane.
Here, is where you do not want to get overloaded.

Add in a flameout from turbulence, or a mechanical failure to the fuel control unit, and your "reading" could get very interesting to say the least.

So anyway, what were we gabbing about anyway? Riding the kid...O.K. inside of every “over the hill”, ex-military, ex-cop, single pilot 135 turbine freight dawg aircraft master and commander, is a teen-age drama queen screaming to get out! Sorry...he could have chose not to indicate laziness, by locating and placing his post "in-line" on the original thread, thus maintaining thread continuity.

In addition, if he felt the need to start a new thread, he could have easily indicated the interrogative nature of his post by placing the suggested symbol (?) at the end of his statement...ooops...I mean question, Thereby avoiding the wrath of the grape.

I guess in this era of people not using turn signals, driving in the left lane while not passing as they chat on cell phones, and people frantically trying to run you down with overflowing grocery carts so they can beat you to the "10 item or less/cash only" checkout while whipping out their check books...why should I hold a commercial pilot to a higher standard of EFFECTIVE communication?

I mean...it is not as if I could have prevented a "BEDFORD INCIDENT" or anything like that.

P.S. Was not was a stupid question? Let us see...Does not the ATP certificate have a requirement about high moral standards or something in them?

Let us not debate how stupid a question is, or whether or not a (?) symbol should be placed at the end of an interrogative statement...let's debate whether or not the pilot should or could be fired and cite case law to prove our points!

Let's also look a the responsibility of the employer who may have a pilot flying hundreds of passengers daily, while having the incident, the $50,000 bail, and a possible conviction and prison time hanging over his head...what is their recourse?...What should the airline do with this pilot?

I am all for "not guilty till convicted in a court of law", but what is the balance of "individual rights" vs. "public order" here?
 
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Yo FN,

Hey man, I was just yanking your chain a little for jumping on the guy so quick. It's no big deal - you're right about his titling of the thread but it's nothing to get worked up about. I was just having fun man.

Good poop on the flows. You saw it - he had another thread going about how he felt he could fly the airplane at his new company better by not "wasting" time by doing flows first, then backing them up with the checklist.

Having flown Metros in single pilot freight for 1800 hours over 2.5 yrs, I agree wholeheartedly about how it works in real life. I'll even go so far as to admit that I definitely used checklists on checkrides (as you said, even that only consisted of grabbing it, glancing at it, then slapping it back down), but usually did not when working. The flows are short, you do them frequently (i.e. I usually flew 6 days a week) and I felt like I was wearing the airplane after a few months. I did do the checklists when conditions permitted, but flying the way we did it seemed other things had priority. No autopilot of course so flying the beast, flows, Clearance delivery, ATIS, weather, ATC, paperwork and charts took up most of my free time at the critical junctures. Reckless? Sloppy? I didn't feel like it. I felt right at home, and safe. In fact, it felt like a necessity at times, that you HAD to know your $hit cold to get by. There was no one else there, so you did what had to be done in the time alotted. You know exactly what I'm talking about. We had enormous time pressures put on us, WAY more than I have ever felt flying people. That's a topic for a whole new thread. Stupid? When asked, I won't defend what I did as being the right thing to do. For the record, backing yourself up with a checklist is always the right thing to do. The reality is somewhat different. Flows work and kept me safe when the $hit was thick. If other guys can honestly say they ran a checklist at every phase of flight in that type of operation, then they are better pilots than I. Cheers to you all.

Anyway FN, thanks for your insightful and honest reply. You don't get that from a lot of these guys. Carry on.
 
Hey FN Whatever

Oh look guys, I've been insulted by a moron who has a picuture of Val Kilmer (or someone resembling Val Kilmer) shooting a rifle. FN FAL or whatever the hell your name is...5000 hours and still working 135. Yeah, you got me real good. See you in the airport as you think to yourself why you haven't made it the majors yet. Oh wait, let me guess, it's because of those women and minority pilots, right? Yeah, that's it.
 
Dreamer,

You're actually more of a dork than I gave you credit for. Make that an a$$.
 

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