Arrested - No Chance of a Job?

[Amish RakeFight]

on a somewhat related note. lets say you got a speeding ticket or two and you know a lawyer who took them to court and got them thrown out. technically you were found not guilty of those speeding tickets. so should you reveal them on an interview that you got them when asked?

You should be able to get a copy of your National Driving Records. contact your local DMV and inquire. This is what the HR dept will see - so you can easily be prepared to know what is and isnt listed on your record.

 

[Blucher]

You should be able to get a copy of your National Driving Records. contact your local DMV and inquire. This is what the HR dept will see - so you can easily be prepared to know what is and isnt listed on your record.

This is true, but don't forget that they can find out what was on your driving record when you were first hired at a prior airline, even if it's dropped out of the system since then.

-Blucher

 

[fried chickens]

NYCPilot

I would disclose everything. If you can legally say no to it ion an application then say no but bring it up during the interview, "I answered the application truthfully but there is something I want you to know" Even an arrest with no convictions can and will cause some problems especially if it's on your background check. Don't assume that the company will see an arrest but no conviction and leave it at that. Better to explain during the interview and go to ground school with a clear head rather than thinking "I hope I passed my background check."

Plus if you fly into Canada, customs and immigration have access to your background even beyond 10yrs and they seem to be getting stricker.

Basically, if you had a good interviewed and take the "I made a mistake when I was young but I have learned from it and have never done it again", you should be fine.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This is true, but don't forget that they can find out what was on your driving record when you were first hired at a prior airline, even if it's dropped out of the system since then.

-Blucher

How would they find that? If I'm not mistaken, PRIA doesn't cover that. There really isn't a way for them to get your entire employee file.

 

[Sweetpee]

Depend on where your interviewing! Probably being interviewed by a bunch of felons anyway! Be honest your not applying to the Mormon church!

 

[pgcfii2002]

I arrested myself once, does that count?

 

[jetjock6]

It is really no big deal, in fact once you disclose your information you will be placed in the CEO application file.

This is not true. You will only be placed in the CEO file if you received a conviction. No conviction no CEO job. F-up... move up.

 

[Inconceivable]

Note: many applications are now requesting information like "have you EVER been..." and emphasize that failure to disclose, regardless of timeframe, will result in termination.

Read your fine print.

Crashpad, wtf is a "FAA Approved" application? PRIA requirements are a matter of law, not regulation--hence the name Pilot Record's Improvement ACT.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I've never heard of the application process being an "FAA Approved" one - but maybe I'm misinfomed.

Actually, each air carrier must comply with TSA and FAA directives on background checks and training history. They are required to furnish the results.

 

[wrxpilot]

Of course you should be honest, but if it was more than 10 yrs and you were also under 18 years old, it gets a little silly to even mention it.

Just run a FBI background check on yourself. If the Feds can't find it, do you really think an airline will??

 

[tyuwerty]

The background check that all airlines conduct involves an FBI/NCIC (National criminal identification computer) check. It will show ANY arrest as an adult. I have seen many people that thought their record was expunged get burned in ground school because they didn't disclose it and it was still in the system.

If you were ever arrested, they will see the record. It has nothing to do with the PRIA records.

 

[wrxpilot]

The background check that all airlines conduct involves an FBI/NCIC (National criminal identification computer) check. It will show ANY arrest as an adult.

That's exactly what I've heard too. Since he was not an adult at the time, I think he has nothing to worry about. But running the FBI background check is a good idea.

You changed your life, went to school, made the Dean's list, and are now a professional pilot. I think you've attoned for your sins. Good luck!

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

I would be honest. I have been brutally honest and I made a real big mistake right after I turned 21. It hasn't seem to hurt me so far, I have been employed by 3 different regionals. I think it's all about how you explain the situation, what you learned from your mistake, and why it will not happen again. My advice is to come clean and be honest. It's your interview, do what you are most comfortable with.

 

[n5374f]

What to do

The safest thing to do is if none of the charges were felony convictions and only misdemeanor convictions is the following:

First any convictions that you had prior to age 18 that were not felonies were already expunged when you reached your 21st birthday automatically.

If you had no felonies convictions after 18, Felony convictions after age 18 can never be expunged.

If it has been more than 5 years since your last misdeamenor conviction you can petition the court to have your records sealed and your convictions expunged. You can contact any crimminal lawyer and for $2500 they can do this for you. Once the court is petitioned and the judge agrees the district attorney in that county will agree and process all of the county, state and federal paperwork right up to the FBI. It takes about 6 months but your record will be expunged in the FBI and NCIC files also.

This also gives you the LEGAL RIGHT to answer all job applications that you were never arrested or convicted. It is a legal way of clearing your record, and if by the slim chance it was uncovered by accident at a later time, the Order of Record Sealing and Expunged Record says right in the Order that you can say it never happened.


From a Lawyer Pilot

 

[FlyMeSWA]

FWIW a friend of mine is involved in pilot recruitment. This person pulled someone out of training recently for something coming out of the background check that this applicant "was never actually convicted of" but arrested for. Didn't tell them about it in the interview.

 

[tyuwerty]

The safest thing to do is if none of the charges were felony convictions and only misdemeanor convictions is the following:

First any convictions that you had prior to age 18 that were not felonies were already expunged when you reached your 21st birthday automatically.

If you had no felonies convictions after 18, Felony convictions after age 18 can never be expunged.

If it has been more than 5 years since your last misdeamenor conviction you can petition the court to have your records sealed and your convictions expunged. You can contact any crimminal lawyer and for $2500 they can do this for you. Once the court is petitioned and the judge agrees the district attorney in that county will agree and process all of the county, state and federal paperwork right up to the FBI. It takes about 6 months but your record will be expunged in the FBI and NCIC files also.

This also gives you the LEGAL RIGHT to answer all job applications that you were never arrested or convicted. It is a legal way of clearing your record, and if by the slim chance it was uncovered by accident at a later time, the Order of Record Sealing and Expunged Record says right in the Order that you can say it never happened.


From a Lawyer Pilot

Good advice but... I think misdeamenor expungement is state dependant and it doesn't work for DUI's in most states.

 

[A Squared]

In particular I'm almost certain it is illegal to ask about arrests, or to deny employment on the basis of arrests without convictions.

Varies from state to state. there are states, Massachusetts, for example, which specificaly forbid asking about arrests. Other states have no such prohibition. There is no federal law against asking about arrests. It is however illegal to discriminate against certain protected classes, and placing a great deal of emphasis on arrest records if you're dealing with applicants who belong to a protected class which might experience a higher than average number of arrests could be viewed as illegal discrimination. If you're a white boy and someone asks you if you've been arrested, you're going to have a tough time spinning that as illegal discrimination, primarily because white boys aren't a protected class.

 

[JimNtexas]

"There is no federal law against asking about arrests."

You're mistaken. From Nexis/Lexis:

It is important to note that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) takes the position that hiring policies that disqualify job applicants based upon criminal convictions may have an unlawful “disparate impact” on minorities under Title VII. “Disparate impact” can result from the application of facially neutral practices or policies, regardless of the employer’s motivation. To ensure that the information is clearly “job-related,” the EEOC has directed employers to evaluate conviction information on an individualized basis with respect to: 1) the nature and gravity of the offense, 2) the relationship between the job duties for the position in question and the offense, and 3) the date of the conviction (that is, how old it is). A
blanket policy disqualifying any applicant with a felony conviction would almost certainly run afoul of this broad mandate. Moreover, the EEOC and most state laws prohibit employers from considering records of arrest that did not lead to convictions.

http://screening.lexisnexis.com/littler/4investigatingjobapplicants.pdf

In general while the employer can't ask about arrests that did not lead to a conviction or many other non-job related items, they can consider anything the applicant blurts out in the course of the interview.

My strong advice to the OP stands. Don't listen to anyone on this forum, ASK A LABOR LAWYER ABOUT YOUR SPECFIC SITUATION.

 

[A Squared]

"There is no federal law against asking about arrests."

You're mistaken.

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Well, not exactly, there.

Moreover, the EEOC and most state laws prohibit employers from considering records of arrest that did not lead to convictions.

1) Assuming for the moment for the sake of argument that the EEOC has jurisdiction over all hiring practices (It doesn't), it says that it prohibits considering arrests which did not lead to a conviction. It does not say "you may not ask if somone has been arrested" those are two different things.

2) The EEOC does not have laws, it has regulations, and if I'm not mistaken, those regulations govern federal hiring only. We're not talking about applying for a civil service position here. If you can show me a public law which specifically forbids asking about arrests, I'll agree that I'm mistaken, I don't think you will, as I have looked, and haven't found one. Perhaps you know of one I've overlooked.


Additionally, I don't think that the statement that *most* states prohibit it is accurate. I dug into this subject a while back, and looked up the employment laws of a bunch of states. I don't recall the exact numbers and I didn't look at the laws from all 50 states but there were plenty in which there was no law prohibiting asking about arrests. I guess 26 out of 50 would strictly speaking be "most" but not an overwhelmiong majority.

 

[Notorious PIC]

If your record was "sealed" as a minor, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Now that video of you passed out at the party with shaving cream on your head, cigarette butts stuck up your nose, with your friends "ball sack" in your face, while you're passed out drunk, may find it to your interview. That's going to be hard to explain.