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FlyinBrian
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This is true, but the government coercing companies to raise wages makes the problem WORSE. In a down economy, it is difficult for a company to make ends meet. If you tell them they have to pay their employees more, they will lay employees off and require more from the employees that remain. That is why in this weak but improving economy, you see that unemployement is still high and worker productivity is also very high. Forcing companies to pay more rusults in MORE unemployed folk who can't afford food and a house.
Furthermore, you can afford food and housing working at or below minimum wage in this country. Many immigrants (legal and otherwise) are doing it every day. You may drive an '81 Carolla and live in dirty little 1 bedroom, but it can be done. It is not your employer's responsibility to guarantee that your standard of living is acceptable to you. If you want better than that, I suggest you take the path of the waitress did in the above story.
UpNDownGuy
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I guess I'm a left-wing whacko Cherokee.
Here you go slick...the latest stunt from Dubya, your hero:
Welcome to ALPA FastRead for October 7, 2003
ALPA, AFL-CIO Blast White House Move to Change Union
Reporting Rules
The White House, late on Friday, announced that it had
implemented its long-touted changes to Labor Department
reporting requirements for labor union finances and expenses.
ALPA's president, Capt. Duane Woerth, said, "These new
rules are an insult to American workers and the organizations
those workers have chosen to represent them both in the
workplace and in the halls of the U.S. government. The
changes are nothing short of the most outrageous and egregious
act of union harassment from our government in more than 50
years, perhaps ever."
Capt. Woerth declared, "ALPA's current governmental
financial reporting requirements are far more detailed than
those required of corporations; for example, ALPA's LM-2 is
currently about 120 pages long. Our LM-2 reports are for union
members what annual reports are for shareholders. How many
shareholder reports do you receive that are more than 30 pages
long, including numerous photographs and illustrations, a short
balance sheet, and a few words of wisdom from the CEO?"
The new LM-2 report "must be filed only in an electronic
format-by law," Capt. Woerth observed. "Why? A paper
copy of ALPA's new LM-2 report would be more than 30,000
pages long. No corporation could or would tolerate this sort of
harassment. Enron and Global Crossing certainly did not have
to file 30,000 pages of financial data on their organizations.
Such reporting requirements would put many small businesses
and some large ones into bankruptcy. Our friends in Congress,
both Democrats and Republicans, expressed their concern to
the President that this new rule was patently ridiculous. Capt.
Woerth added that the new rules "will not provide any useful
improvement in the information we provide." The White
House, however, "has chosen to ignore an overwhelming
majority of the 35,000 official comments received when the
new rules were proposed and the bipartisan requests from
Congress to make any rule update more meaningful."
The Office of Management and Budget received the final rule
and had at least 90 days to review it to ensure that the changes
do not cause any unnecessary burdens or costs. OMB is
required by law to conduct such reviews of newly proposed
governmental rules and regulations before they are
implemented. "Isn't it ironic," Capt. Woerth said, "that the
same OMB that has been reviewing for several years the
proposed flight-time and duty-time rules and now opposes that
NPRM because it would increase costs for airlines has taken 24
hours to review the new LM-2 rule before passing it on without
a single change or comment."
Compliance with the new reporting rules "will cost ALPA
members several million dollars over the next 18 months,"
Capt. Woerth said. "Between now and January 1, ALPA
officers and staff, who have much more urgent business to
attend to, will be forced to spend countless hours
reprogramming our financial software and redoing our
accounting system to break out financial data categories the
Bush Administration wants--not the way ALPA's governing
bodies require it or the way members want it, use it, or
understand it."
He said, "ALPA does not have a problem with filing
requirements for thorough and meaningful expense and finance
reports. But this rule change will provide no improvement over
the current practice."
AFL-CIO President John Sweeny claimed that the
implementation of new union reporting rules "is more evidence
of the Administration's blind determination to weaken
workers' organizations and is clearly political payback for the
workers' overtime pay win [October 2] in the House. The
announcement is yet another Friday afternoon release of
actions they hope to shield from scrutiny." Sweeny added that
"America's workers deserve better from their President...." He
urged President Bush to recall the new rules and go back to the
drawing board to create financial reporting rules that work for
working people.
To answer some of the previous posters:
1) Yes, I DO think Bush is an idiot. No, strike that, possibly the biggest moron to ever set foot in the White House. His "degrees" would make excellent toilet paper, but that's about it. He is the poster boy for ending so-called "legacy" admissions in all colleges. He is a silver-spoon ninny who is just short of pure evil. I think he is in more dire need of a good a$$-kicking than any man alive.
2) Bush is to Republicans on the National level like Arnold is on the state level. He is a Republican in name only, not deed. Bush has smashed all previous records for the enlargement of government, and increasing government intrusion into your personal life. He has personally ran up a record deficit. Slick Willy is looking REAL good by comparison, and that is disgusting.
3) Bush's approval rating is right where it should be: Going down steadily. I believe it is currently below 50%. That makes "right-wing whackos" the people on the fringe pal.
By the way, you should understand that I am an Independant, not a Democrat. I am conservative politically, Pro-Life, anti gun-control and a big proponent of state's rights.
However, if the Republicans run Bush in '04, I'm voting Democrat. I don't care if Hillary is their nominee.
Here you go slick...the latest stunt from Dubya, your hero:
Welcome to ALPA FastRead for October 7, 2003
ALPA, AFL-CIO Blast White House Move to Change Union
Reporting Rules
The White House, late on Friday, announced that it had
implemented its long-touted changes to Labor Department
reporting requirements for labor union finances and expenses.
ALPA's president, Capt. Duane Woerth, said, "These new
rules are an insult to American workers and the organizations
those workers have chosen to represent them both in the
workplace and in the halls of the U.S. government. The
changes are nothing short of the most outrageous and egregious
act of union harassment from our government in more than 50
years, perhaps ever."
Capt. Woerth declared, "ALPA's current governmental
financial reporting requirements are far more detailed than
those required of corporations; for example, ALPA's LM-2 is
currently about 120 pages long. Our LM-2 reports are for union
members what annual reports are for shareholders. How many
shareholder reports do you receive that are more than 30 pages
long, including numerous photographs and illustrations, a short
balance sheet, and a few words of wisdom from the CEO?"
The new LM-2 report "must be filed only in an electronic
format-by law," Capt. Woerth observed. "Why? A paper
copy of ALPA's new LM-2 report would be more than 30,000
pages long. No corporation could or would tolerate this sort of
harassment. Enron and Global Crossing certainly did not have
to file 30,000 pages of financial data on their organizations.
Such reporting requirements would put many small businesses
and some large ones into bankruptcy. Our friends in Congress,
both Democrats and Republicans, expressed their concern to
the President that this new rule was patently ridiculous. Capt.
Woerth added that the new rules "will not provide any useful
improvement in the information we provide." The White
House, however, "has chosen to ignore an overwhelming
majority of the 35,000 official comments received when the
new rules were proposed and the bipartisan requests from
Congress to make any rule update more meaningful."
The Office of Management and Budget received the final rule
and had at least 90 days to review it to ensure that the changes
do not cause any unnecessary burdens or costs. OMB is
required by law to conduct such reviews of newly proposed
governmental rules and regulations before they are
implemented. "Isn't it ironic," Capt. Woerth said, "that the
same OMB that has been reviewing for several years the
proposed flight-time and duty-time rules and now opposes that
NPRM because it would increase costs for airlines has taken 24
hours to review the new LM-2 rule before passing it on without
a single change or comment."
Compliance with the new reporting rules "will cost ALPA
members several million dollars over the next 18 months,"
Capt. Woerth said. "Between now and January 1, ALPA
officers and staff, who have much more urgent business to
attend to, will be forced to spend countless hours
reprogramming our financial software and redoing our
accounting system to break out financial data categories the
Bush Administration wants--not the way ALPA's governing
bodies require it or the way members want it, use it, or
understand it."
He said, "ALPA does not have a problem with filing
requirements for thorough and meaningful expense and finance
reports. But this rule change will provide no improvement over
the current practice."
AFL-CIO President John Sweeny claimed that the
implementation of new union reporting rules "is more evidence
of the Administration's blind determination to weaken
workers' organizations and is clearly political payback for the
workers' overtime pay win [October 2] in the House. The
announcement is yet another Friday afternoon release of
actions they hope to shield from scrutiny." Sweeny added that
"America's workers deserve better from their President...." He
urged President Bush to recall the new rules and go back to the
drawing board to create financial reporting rules that work for
working people.
To answer some of the previous posters:
1) Yes, I DO think Bush is an idiot. No, strike that, possibly the biggest moron to ever set foot in the White House. His "degrees" would make excellent toilet paper, but that's about it. He is the poster boy for ending so-called "legacy" admissions in all colleges. He is a silver-spoon ninny who is just short of pure evil. I think he is in more dire need of a good a$$-kicking than any man alive.
2) Bush is to Republicans on the National level like Arnold is on the state level. He is a Republican in name only, not deed. Bush has smashed all previous records for the enlargement of government, and increasing government intrusion into your personal life. He has personally ran up a record deficit. Slick Willy is looking REAL good by comparison, and that is disgusting.
3) Bush's approval rating is right where it should be: Going down steadily. I believe it is currently below 50%. That makes "right-wing whackos" the people on the fringe pal.
By the way, you should understand that I am an Independant, not a Democrat. I am conservative politically, Pro-Life, anti gun-control and a big proponent of state's rights.
However, if the Republicans run Bush in '04, I'm voting Democrat. I don't care if Hillary is their nominee.
UpNDownGuy
Well-known member
- Joined
- Aug 13, 2003
- Posts
- 241
It's in the fine print...
Here are some of the details:
A paper copy of ALPA's new LM-2 report would be more than 30,000 pages long.
Does this seem like a good idea to you? Do you imagine that there are any legitimate reasons why a union would need to submit over 30,000 pages of information to the governemnt? Who do you think will read the 30,000 + pages, let alone analyze them in a meaningful manner? ALPA is not a large union compared to many in this country. You would need a whole new branch of government just to LOOK at this much information.
Or, here is an alternative idea. Let's see if it fits the situation:
AFL-CIO President John Sweeny claimed that the
implementation of new union reporting rules "is more evidence
of the Administration's blind determination to weaken
workers' organizations and is clearly political payback for the
workers' overtime pay win [October 2] in the House.
Hmmnnn, let's think about it. A completely unnecessary and useless requirement that is imposed ONLY on labor unions, and is multitudes more costly than the accounting requirement of any company in the US. Sweeny may just be on to something...
How about the method by which this requirement came to be?
The Office of Management and Budget received the final rule
and had at least 90 days to review it to ensure that the changes
do not cause any unnecessary burdens or costs. OMB is
required by law to conduct such reviews of newly proposed
governmental rules and regulations before they are
implemented. "Isn't it ironic," Capt. Woerth said, "that the
same OMB that has been reviewing for several years the
proposed flight-time and duty-time rules and now opposes that
NPRM because it would increase costs for airlines has taken 24
hours to review the new LM-2 rule before passing it on without
a single change or comment."
A regulation that would require unions to submit over 30,000+ pages of information. They looked at it for 24 hours, and decided it was perfect. Sound like the fix was in maybe?
I could go on and on about this, but what's the point? There is no possible legitimate reason for this regulation. It was "get the unions", pure and simple. Your President at his finest.
Here are some of the details:
A paper copy of ALPA's new LM-2 report would be more than 30,000 pages long.
Does this seem like a good idea to you? Do you imagine that there are any legitimate reasons why a union would need to submit over 30,000 pages of information to the governemnt? Who do you think will read the 30,000 + pages, let alone analyze them in a meaningful manner? ALPA is not a large union compared to many in this country. You would need a whole new branch of government just to LOOK at this much information.
Or, here is an alternative idea. Let's see if it fits the situation:
AFL-CIO President John Sweeny claimed that the
implementation of new union reporting rules "is more evidence
of the Administration's blind determination to weaken
workers' organizations and is clearly political payback for the
workers' overtime pay win [October 2] in the House.
Hmmnnn, let's think about it. A completely unnecessary and useless requirement that is imposed ONLY on labor unions, and is multitudes more costly than the accounting requirement of any company in the US. Sweeny may just be on to something...
How about the method by which this requirement came to be?
The Office of Management and Budget received the final rule
and had at least 90 days to review it to ensure that the changes
do not cause any unnecessary burdens or costs. OMB is
required by law to conduct such reviews of newly proposed
governmental rules and regulations before they are
implemented. "Isn't it ironic," Capt. Woerth said, "that the
same OMB that has been reviewing for several years the
proposed flight-time and duty-time rules and now opposes that
NPRM because it would increase costs for airlines has taken 24
hours to review the new LM-2 rule before passing it on without
a single change or comment."
A regulation that would require unions to submit over 30,000+ pages of information. They looked at it for 24 hours, and decided it was perfect. Sound like the fix was in maybe?
I could go on and on about this, but what's the point? There is no possible legitimate reason for this regulation. It was "get the unions", pure and simple. Your President at his finest.
siucavflight
Back from the forsaken
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Typhoon1244
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TonyC
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Ummm, Ok....again, what are the specifics of what has changed? Yes I read that it would be really long, what exactly has changed from what was required below? What new information are they required to report?Since there are 10's of thousands of members I'm not sure it's too excessive. As far as weakening unions I still have not heard anything that comes close to this. IF you have the info please post but a little more paperwork, while maybe tedious, in no way weakens unions, unless you can give me an example.
TonyC
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No, I have no specifics about what items must be reported in what format. Is that what you're looking for, so you can apply your accounting expertise to the question and determine if ALPA has a valid complaint?cherokee said:
120 pages versus 30,000 pages. That's 250 times more pages. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's an increase of 24,900 PER CENT. The OMB took 24 hours to review 35,000 comments before ruling in favor of this rule. "Little more paperwork"? Amazing.
ALPA will have to hire a large staff and devote a healthy chunk of cash JUST to produce this report, and no benefit will be realized. That's why it qualifies as harassment.
Now, try putting the shoes on your feet for a minute. How long did it take for you to complete your 1040 last spring? Do you think it would be fair for the IRS to reformat the 1040 so that you had to complete 500 pages, instead of 2? Do you think it would be fair to ask you to pay H&R Block $12,500 instead of $50? You can bet that would weaken my spending power, or rob me of time, or both.
If you can't see a problem with this, I can guess your overall view towards trade unions in general.
Chunk
SkyFuzz
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- 496
siucavflight said:
Dude....quoting Top Gun? Here ya go!
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=222616#post222616
WrightAvia
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