Are turbo-props considered high perf?

[avbug]

You fly a jet or large aircraft on a type-rating which supercedes the need for high performance, complex, or even a taildragger endorsement in the case of the DC-3.

I don't see any provision for waiving the conventional gear endorsement with granting a type rating for a tailwheel airplane.

(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:
(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (i)(1) of this section is not required if the person logged pilot-in-command time in a tailwheel airplane before April 15, 1991.

 

[Ralgha]

Would that mean that a jet would be considered complex even though it does not have propellers? I have been asking some people lately, but have been getting a myriad of resposes.

No, there is no such exemption from the definition of complex. A turboprop (with retractable gear and flaps) is complex. A jet is not.

 

[time builder]

Not many, but they do exist, here is a link to one that goes as much as 130 hp:
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It's hard to believe that thing can even put out 130 horses.

 

[CrazyErnie]

You fly a jet or large aircraft on a type-rating which supercedes the need for high performance, complex, or even a taildragger endorsement in the case of the DC-3.

Does that also supercede the need for a high-altitude endorsement?

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

This may help or confuse...I believe at one time,the high performance/ complex were the same sign off. However, back in the mid 90's the FAA changed the requirement and made it into 2 distinct signoffs/endorsements. This had to do with older aircraft having over 200 hp but lacked retract. gear, ect...The change occurred due to the requirements to get your commercial license (Specific aircraft requirements) which stipulates a "complex" aircraft, Example; Cessna 172RG vs C206 Non-retract.

In terms of the Jet, it's complex by far but more important, requires a type rating which includes a high altitude signoff per the training and type requirement. Also, it meets and exceeds both endorsements.

Apologize if you already covered this....hopefully it helped rather than hindered.

 

[Lead Sled]

In terms of the Jet, it's complex by far but more important, requires a type rating which includes a high altitude signoff per the training and type requirement. Also, it meets and exceeds both endorsements.

I've been to recurrent on a couple of different airplanes where I've talked with guys getting their types. In a couple of occassions, they needed an extra class to comply with the high-altitude endorsment requirement. It makes sense - the type-rating is basically a systems course and you train to proficiency on procedures. Very little, if anything, is ever mentioned regarding the physiology of high-altitude flight.

LS

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

When I got my first Type, I had to take a class on high altitude ops. and get endorsed as a "pre-requirement" for the type. That was 10 years agao, things might have changed.

 

[IP076]

Check out www.innodyn.com pretty sweet little deal, I think they go as low as 165hp to 255hp...

 

[time builder]

Wow, a Super Cub turboprop, looks like a mini Pilatus PC6. That's pretty cool.

 

[Way2Broke]

So I am confused. Is jet time complex and/or high performance time or not?

 

[jmreii]

High performance or complex time/sign off is for the purpose of a rating. Warning: The FAR'S that most pilots used are not the same as the FAR'S the FAA uses. Part 61 is for AIRMEN CERTIFICATION.

 

[Way2Broke]

High performance or complex time/sign off is for the purpose of a rating. Warning: The FAR'S that most pilots used are not the same as the FAR'S the FAA uses. Part 61 is for AIRMEN CERTIFICATION.

What about for the purpose of logging. Is a jet complex?

 

[jmreii]

What about for the purpose of logging. Is a jet complex?

A jet is fine for logging complex time providing you are typed in that particular aircraft or the operations/aircraft calls for a qualified second-in-command. Good luck
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[JimNtexas]

What about for the purpose of logging. Is a jet complex?

Why would you want to log 'complex' time? Who cares once you you have the sign off or type rating?

 

[skid]

http://www.amtjets.com/gallery_real_plain.html


Does this one qualify? A jet powered Cri Cri. It is a turbo jet....Does it require a type rating?

Original design has 2- 8hp chain saw motors. This guy gave it a bit more.

I have seen somewhere a pic of someone that put 2 small turbo props on the thing. I am sure that they were not any bigger than these little jets. But have not been able to find it.