Are turbo-props considered high perf?

[igneousy2]

Dash-8's fly like they are 200HP

yep, they got lots of power 2000 shp a side...but they also got tons of drag.

 

[KingAir1985]

I thought part of the Definition of "Complex" was all that stuff, OR something that is Turbine powered. Have to go find my old FAR/AIM book.

Would that mean that a jet would be considered complex even though it does not have propellers? I have been asking some people lately, but have been getting a myriad of resposes.

 

[Lead Sled]

You fly a jet or large aircraft on a type-rating which supercedes the need for high performance, complex, or even a taildragger endorsement in the case of the DC-3.

 

[KingAir1985]

You fly a jet or large aircraft on a type-rating which supercedes the need for high performance, complex, or even a taildragger endorsement in the case of the DC-3.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[JimNtexas]

FAR 61.31:

(e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (e)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller; or, in the case of a seaplane, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller), unless the person has—
(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a complex airplane, and has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and
(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a complex airplane.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (e)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as pilot in command of a complex airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a complex airplane prior to August 4, 1997.
(f) Additional training required for operating high-performance airplanes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (f)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane (an airplane with an engine of more than 200 horsepower), unless the person has—
(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane, and has been found proficient in the operation and systems of the airplane; and
(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a high-performance airplane.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (f)(1) of this section is not required if the person has logged flight time as pilot in command of a high-performance airplane, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a high-performance airplane prior to August 4, 1997.
(g) Additional training required for operating pressurized aircraft capable of operating at high altitudes. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (g)(3) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft (an aircraft that has a service ceiling or maximum operating altitude, whichever is lower, above 25,000 feet MSL), unless that person has received and logged ground training from an authorized instructor and obtained an endorsement in the person's logbook or training record from an authorized instructor who certifies the person has satisfactorily accomplished the ground training. The ground training must include at least the following subjects:
(i) High-altitude aerodynamics and meteorology;
(ii) Respiration;
(iii) Effects, symptoms, and causes of hypoxia and any other high-altitude sickness;
(iv) Duration of consciousness without supplemental oxygen;
(v) Effects of prolonged usage of supplemental oxygen;
(vi) Causes and effects of gas expansion and gas bubble formation;
(vii) Preventive measures for eliminating gas expansion, gas bubble formation, and high-altitude sickness;
(viii) Physical phenomena and incidents of decompression; and
(ix) Any other physiological aspects of high-altitude flight.
(2) Except as provided in paragraph (g)(3) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a pressurized aircraft unless that person has received and logged training from an authorized instructor in a pressurized aircraft, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a pressurized aircraft, and obtained an endorsement in the person's logbook or training record from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a pressurized aircraft. The flight training must include at least the following subjects:
(i) Normal cruise flight operations while operating above 25,000 feet MSL;
(ii) Proper emergency procedures for simulated rapid decompression without actually depressurizing the aircraft; and
(iii) Emergency descent procedures.
(3) The training and endorsement required by paragraphs (g)(1) and (g)(2) of this section are not required if that person can document satisfactory accomplishment of any of the following in a pressurized aircraft, or in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a pressurized aircraft:

 

[avbug]

You fly a jet or large aircraft on a type-rating which supercedes the need for high performance, complex, or even a taildragger endorsement in the case of the DC-3.

I don't see any provision for waiving the conventional gear endorsement with granting a type rating for a tailwheel airplane.

(i) Additional training required for operating tailwheel airplanes.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of a tailwheel airplane unless that person has received and logged flight training from an authorized instructor in a tailwheel airplane and received an endorsement in the person's logbook from an authorized instructor who found the person proficient in the operation of a tailwheel airplane. The flight training must include at least the following maneuvers and procedures:
(i) Normal and crosswind takeoffs and landings;
(ii) Wheel landings (unless the manufacturer has recommended against such landings); and
(iii) Go-around procedures.
(2) The training and endorsement required by paragraph (i)(1) of this section is not required if the person logged pilot-in-command time in a tailwheel airplane before April 15, 1991.

 

[Ralgha]

Would that mean that a jet would be considered complex even though it does not have propellers? I have been asking some people lately, but have been getting a myriad of resposes.

No, there is no such exemption from the definition of complex. A turboprop (with retractable gear and flaps) is complex. A jet is not.

 

[time builder]

Not many, but they do exist, here is a link to one that goes as much as 130 hp:
http://

It's hard to believe that thing can even put out 130 horses.

 

[CrazyErnie]

You fly a jet or large aircraft on a type-rating which supercedes the need for high performance, complex, or even a taildragger endorsement in the case of the DC-3.

Does that also supercede the need for a high-altitude endorsement?

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

This may help or confuse...I believe at one time,the high performance/ complex were the same sign off. However, back in the mid 90's the FAA changed the requirement and made it into 2 distinct signoffs/endorsements. This had to do with older aircraft having over 200 hp but lacked retract. gear, ect...The change occurred due to the requirements to get your commercial license (Specific aircraft requirements) which stipulates a "complex" aircraft, Example; Cessna 172RG vs C206 Non-retract.

In terms of the Jet, it's complex by far but more important, requires a type rating which includes a high altitude signoff per the training and type requirement. Also, it meets and exceeds both endorsements.

Apologize if you already covered this....hopefully it helped rather than hindered.