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Are they a major or regional pilot?

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I will add my input based on personally assisting/consulting almost 600 pilots from every conceivable flying background:

It is my honest belief (now) that no one really had it "harder" than anyone else. Each track to a professional flying career has its good and bad sides; each track has its challenges and rewards. You just can't draw a consistent comparison.

Each of my clients (and myself!) experienced the same "kinds" of negative and positive things on their route to a major airline career. The airplanes may have been different, the flying environments may have been different, the "companies" may have been different. But the experiences are often very similar in nature. Pilots from differing backgrounds are not as different as many folks like to believe.

As for who has an advantage in the job market: Like most things in life, being in the right place at the right time often supersedes everything else. You can be the greatest, most experienced pilot in the world, but you still need some breaks to get where you want in aviation. Sometimes that means having folks helping you get your foot in the door; sometimes that means hitting a hiring boom at the right time; sometimes that means interviewing at an airline that prefers your previous flying experience. I can tell you with absolute certainty that some folks recently turned down by an airline (SWA, jetBlue, Fed Ex -- take your pick) would have been hired two years ago. No doubt in my mind!

Is life fair? Rarely. Can you have the biggest effect on your career path? Absolutely! Will you accomplish your goals if you give up? Never!!

No matter where you end up, someone will always have it better than you. Someone will always be senior to you. You can be bitter about that, or you can do what is within your capability to improve yourself and appreciate what you've achieved. Of course, sometimes that is easier said than done. No one is perfect. And we all know that pilots have to bitch every now and then!! :)

Lastly, before I jump off my soapbox and run for cover, a pilot's background has very little to do with how good an airline pilot he eventually becomes. In my opinion, the best airline pilots are the ones who have a desire to continue learning and improving; the ones who don't think their sh*t doesn't stink; the ones who still enjoy flying airplanes; the ones who treat ALL fellow employees with respect and dignity. Background has virtually nothing to do with these things. It goes a lot deeper than that....
 
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Well said Rob!

It all comes from within.

We can choose to be happy or we can choose not to be happy...

Make the best of what you got!!
 
I know that we are all a bunch of Stud Pilots (or at least we all think that we are) but what it all really comes down to is 50% LUCK.



We can all do our best to get as marketable as possible but none of us can help recessions, furloughs, good airlines gone bad in a hurry (Pan Am and Eastern), bad mergers (ask the republic guys), an interviewer in a really bad mood, 9-11 happenings, or a whole slew of other bad things.


Cargo, Millitary, Civie regional guys, or any other PILOTS all have to wade through bad times to get to good ones.


Screw the checklist for success..... Be a great person, work hard, keep your nose clean, be persistent, and hope that you find a little luck (hell... look for all the luck you can find!!!) And when you find that dream job, help all the good people you can to obtain their own dream job.


That's just my opinion... I could be wrong.



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This is not about egos, or who has how much time, or who flew where.

Ego's?

You mean all these guys that have pictures of their aircraft under their username. What a bunch of Ego bastards. Hey wait, nevermind. It was my old plane but I like the picture
 
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I would say they are airline pilots. Hopefully they will set the new industry standard in regional pay.
 
As a group, we really ALL need to just "get over" this whole "caste system" of "greater" and "lesser" aviators. It serves neither us nor the profession.

If you're flying an "airliner," keeping your passengers safe, it really doesn't matter whether there are 50 passengers aboard or 250. We've probably all gone through essentially the same kinds of training and experiences to bring us to this point, and we're pretty much all entitled to call ourselves "airline pilots."

I mean, doesn't the whole idea of "major" and "regional," which WE help to perpetuate, play right into the hands of some pretty slimy management types, whose whole outdated business model pretty much DEPENDS on being able to pay slave wages to one group of "have not" pilots, while using the existence and expansion of the "regional" system as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the "have" pilots?

"Professional aviator" should pretty much transcend "labels" like regional and major, especially nowadays, when the level of sophistication of the equipment and the almost total "sameness" of the actual JOB being done by each group take pretty much all the wind out of ANY argument that one group is inherently "superior" to the other.
 
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equal is equal

Now that I am back from my 9 day stint in DelRio letting students try to kill me in a new creative way every day I get to read what my short, not-intended-to-be-harmful post did. I was originally just making an observation (not agreeing or disagreeing with the way the post was going) that this thread would get heated very shortly.

I agree with Rob and xherc:

Pilots are pilots. No one way was tougher than the other. It sucked being sent hither and yon at the whim of some higher up. I'm more than positive that it sucked getting paid nothing to work long hours flying. In the end we are all doing the same thing for the same pay (roughly) and we might as well get off our soapboxes and get along.

See ya in DAL or DEN or wherever I end up.

Slug
pilotus fraternus
 
Slug,

My hat is off to you too.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

Those USAir pilots, of course, are airline pilots.

We all are.

Management must clap their hands with glee to see us fight. They win every time we do each other in.

The marketplace has been deciding what we fly. Not the pilots. Passengers have never gotten over the look and sound of a prop out their window. The RJ is "industry evolution". The customer gets what the customer wants.

We must evolve as a profession also. We can only do that if we work together. Those who went before us expect us to preserve this profession for those who will go after us.

We will never do that by degrading each other. We are all good pilots. We all have worked hard. There will be no winners when we fight each other. There will only be losers.

What is the point of that?

Be Professional. Fly Safe. Thanks for all who thoughtfully posted.
 
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