are the falcons certificated under far 25?

[bocefus]

Kingairrick is correct a mingo, futher proving that this, "Any turbo jet powered airplane or an airplane having a gross takeoff weight greater than 12,500#'s, built after 1958 (?)." is an incorrect answer to "what defines an FAR 25 airplane?"

 

[Dinger]

Nothing "makes" and airplane part 25. Aircraft that are certified under part 25 are part 25 aircraft (transport category). Part 25 aircraft (transport category) are aircraft that are required to meet certain performance requirements (i.e. second segment climb). I believe this part was created for more stringent performance criteria, thus, "ensuring" safer transportation for the public.

In addition to the list of non-transport category aircraft, The C525 is certified under part 23 (however, it's performance meets part 25 minimums AND has published charts)!

 

[Bandit60]

true but you must have missed the OR in Pilotyip's reply pilotyipAny turbo jet powered airplane or an airplane having a gross takeoff weight greater than 12,500#'s, built after 1958 (?).


both planes have a weight over 12500

I stand corrected

 

[bocefus]

Questions for Dinger and Pilotyip. Dinger, are you stating that the C-525
meets all of the FAR 25 certification requirements yet was certificated under FAR 23? Pilotyip, can you please direct me to the list of "grandfathered" CAR 4 airplanes that you said was in FAR 25?

 

[Dinger]

To be more specific, the manual states the following......"The Citation CJ2 is certified in accordance with part 23 (normal category) and part 36 (Noise). Takeoff and landing performance and other special condition certification requirements are equivalent to part 25."

So, I assume, not everything about the CJ2 meets part 25 criteria, but the important stuff does.

 

[bocefus]

How about that? And the model 500, certificated 20 years earlier than the CJ was certificated under FAR 25. Ahh, the wonderful world of loopholes.

 

[Loco Gringo]

THE C501SP,C550SP, AND CJ’S ARE PART 23 IN ORDER TO BE SINGLE PILOT WITHOUT AN EXEMPTION. YOU CAN FLY ALL THE 500 SERIES CITATIONS SINGLE PILOT, HOWEVER THOSE THAT ARE CERTIFEID UNDER PART 25 ie, C500, C501, C550, S550, C560 AND SO ON MUST BE FLOWN WITH THE PILOT IN POSESION OF A SINGLE PILOT EXEMPTION FROM PART 25. SIMUFLITE AND FLIGHT SAFETY BOTH OFFER THIS CERTIFICATION. THE 501SP, AND 550SP ARE BOTH LIMITED TO MGTOW OF 12.5, HOWEVER THE 501, 550, AND THE OTHERS CAN BE FLOWN AT THE HIGHER T/O WEIGHTS WITH THE EXEMPTION.



YOU DO NOT WANT TO EVER BUY A 550SP, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR A 1-5 AT CESSNA TO HAVE THE DATA PLATE CHANGED TO A 550. JUST GET THE SP EXEMPTION AND KEEP ON TRUCKING.

 

[Loco Gringo]

Turbo Jets Under 12.5 Can Be Certified Under Part 23 On A Case By Case. Lear Jet Tried It With The 31 And The Faa Did Not Bite.