Are SWA/AAI guys worried?

[On Your Six]

Gotta learn how and when to go short...I'm riding the gravy train. Stop loses are important too.

I agree with Scoreboard, there is no reason to think the 717 is going away. Think of it this way.. SW never pays top dollar for anything, you think they are going to turn them in with massive penatlies looming? Think again guys, ain't gonna happen.

RF

Have GK put that in writing about the 717s or at least a stronger no furlough clause, etc.(one with penalties and force mejuer language). That should help.


OYS

 

[redflyer65]

Whatever OYS,

Enjoy being number 30 for takeoff behind all those RJ's in JFK, ATL, and DTW...and pretty much any other hub you guys have. Haha.

RF

 

[waveflyer]

Sounds like my seniority loss with the AIP!

I'm getting tired of the math deficient using this stat (ie: lie)

You're built from the same brilliant minds at AA who think that after a 35% paycut, that a 35% pay raise will equalize it.

(airline pilots are just really dumb smart people.)

If you want to talk about your 30% seniority loss- please include what your loss would be under DOH. Your wet dream agreement would have you losing well over 20%- so you're really just b/tching - about ....? .... No longer being a big fish in a LITTLE pond. Sounds like you'd have preferred organic growth - yeah- well us too. Keep the stats and %'s, there mr brilliant.

 

[AFcitrus]

I think I touched a nerve there Wave. When nwa or delta talk about lost seniority they do so from relative %. Relative is the norm by which all SLI comparisons are made. Who knows how this SLI will ultimately turn out but please don't take any sh!t sandwich I may or may not receive and call it peanut butter and jelly.

 

[waveflyer]

So the age difference is unimportant? Just like your huge upgrade equivalent payraise and better work environment and schedule? GMAFB- we shouldn't take anyone who has so little perspective as to think this is a "sh/t sandwich"

This is not a merger of equals as DL/NW was

 

[jonjuan]

So the age difference is unimportant? Just like your huge upgrade equivalent payraise and better work environment and schedule? GMAFB- we shouldn't take anyone who has so little perspective as to think this is a "sh/t sandwich"

This is not a merger of equals as DL/NW was

I personally know of 4 Mesa dudes who went from CFI to Mesa (bottom feeder regional) to SWA in 3 years. All were hired under 30. There are many, many, many cases of folks getting hired A) young, and B) not "putting in their time" as you so aptly put it.
Your mantra seems to be the swa dudes are older and more qualified, i.e. put in more time, cared more, had more LUV, etc. That's NOT true. That's why the big deal will get sent to an independent arbitrator who will really decide the real deal.

 

[madjack]

That's why the big deal will get sent to an independent arbitrator who will really decide the real deal.

I am afraid that JJ is probably right, militant/F(*& management ALPA is going to let Mr Kelly, Mr VDV, Mr McCrady know whose boss...I am wondering if our management is having some regrets that AAI happens to come with 1700 pilots who voted 98% to strike...

 

[GuppyWN]

I personally know of 4 Mesa dudes who went from CFI to Mesa (bottom feeder regional) to SWA in 3 years. All were hired under 30. There are many, many, many cases of folks getting hired A) young, and B) not "putting in their time" as you so aptly put it.
Your mantra seems to be the swa dudes are older and more qualified, i.e. put in more time, cared more, had more LUV, etc. That's NOT true. That's why the big deal will get sent to an independent arbitrator who will really decide the real deal.

No Juan,

You guys are an average of 10 years younger than we are. That means our career expectations would get clogged by a list full of Airtran guys if there were no adjustment.

Even WITH the current adjustment Airtran pilots will DOMINATE the WN seniority list around that 2020 point.

Gup

 

[jonjuan]

No Juan,

You guys are an average of 10 years younger than we are.

New-hires the past 10 years average 10 years younger at AT?

 

[Tripower455]

I personally know of 4 Mesa dudes who went from CFI to Mesa (bottom feeder regional) to SWA in 3 years. All were hired under 30. There are many, many, many cases of folks getting hired A) young, and B) not "putting in their time" as you so aptly put it.
Your mantra seems to be the swa dudes are older and more qualified, i.e. put in more time, cared more, had more LUV, etc. That's NOT true. That's why the big deal will get sent to an independent arbitrator who will really decide the real deal.

Not to speak for WF, but we are an older group, meaning that every younger guy put in front of us is a permanent loss in seniority, as in forever, whereas an older guy put in front of you will retire before you at some point, allowing you to move up. You really think you "deserve" to dominate our list and that's "fair and equitable" to the organic SW guys?

There are far less of those "hired young" guys here than at AT. We've had very few 30 year old Captains here, ever. Maybe in the very early days.

Heck, I had just turned 31 when I got hired, and was the third youngest in my class, and will be under #50 when I retire.