Apaad Age 60 Change Push

[3BCat]

The way it was established doesn't matter if it works. We don't have airliners crashing due to diminished cognitive skills, so it appears to be working.

The two most ignorant statements I've seen from you.

The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool. -(Shakespeare)

 

[ironspud]

I read recently that an ICAO vote to raise the age passed 27-4. I know that the US was one of the "4" that voted against. Does anyone know the other 3? Source? Thanks.

 

[§kyye Candy]

Exactly!

How about this. When the pax carriers come out of the toilet, which they will, negotiate a good contract so you don't have to fly past 60!

Who in the &*(^ wants to be living this insane lifestyle at 60? I want to be sitting on the beach, sipping margaritas and managaing my investments and entrepreneurial ventures... you know, the ones I will have funded with that 'extra' job on the side, now that we won't have any retirement income (from our airline job)!

 

[The Prussian]

I read recently that an ICAO vote to raise the age passed 27-4. I know that the US was one of the "4" that voted against. Does anyone know the other 3? Source? Thanks.

No source...just heard they were U.S., France, Pakistan, and Columbia.

 

[Klako]

Screws me because if it is changed to another discrimanatory age like 65, then my plans of retiring at 55 are screwed due to the delayed upgrade. I wont argue that it is screwed up but that is the way it has always been, that is why CAPTAIN JIM if you opened your bifocal am flying eyes cuz u cant see to some other ideas such as the right seat option it could possibly get some momentum and pass, then you geriatric mofo's can stay away from your wife a little longer and we could help you get to the bar and do some jaeger bombs while having a good time with the stews.

I have an answer to the younger pilots out there who say that a change to the age 60 rule would be unfair to them by slowing upgrades and causing seniority list stagnation. I say then, make it mandatory for all pilots to retire after serving no more than 20 years with a company or age 65 whichever comes first. If you hire on with a company at age 25, then you are kicked out of the cockpit when you turn age 45 or if you hire on at 45, you retire at 65. That would be equally fair for all, no age discrimination, and give everyone just enough time to build their 401K to a level that they can retire on.
Of course, my solution only highlights the anti “gray head” bigotry found with some junior pilots at ALPA and APA.

 

[Klako]

bubbers you caught me ... I'm a habitual liar ... that's how I get my jollies. Truth is ... there are many unfit old geezers just hangin' on (till the next contract in our case) flying along in complete denial. This is typical of many medical doctors also ... hang on till a tragedy forces you to retire (family medical background). Age 60 retirement is arbitrary ... yet sound. Perhaps some could continue successfully, but we have anecdotal evidence (nearing 60 guys falling down stairs and nearly killing themselves) that suggests age 60 retirement is just about right for the majority of pilots.

Also, think about the kind of guys that want to fly beyond 60. Usually loners, stuck in the past glory days reminiscing about old piston junkers flying some obscure route, thinking they still have the skills to command. Look at these guys. They have blotchy old pot-marked faces, skin peeling off everywhere, hunch-shouldered, bald melons with an attitude. More often than not, they still think they have a "chance" to get lucky with the 20-something girl working the gate.

Actually, it's a pathetic letdown nearly all the time for these old geezers. A classic case of not having a clue when you're so far beyond the realm of natural selection (that's why so many buy their "love" in asian countries) that they should gracefully bow out and play with their grandkids.

You old geezers trying to "hang on" are a complete embarrassment and detriment to safety. Retire already, let the public fly safely, and play with your grandchildren rather than you abusing some young asian teenager for your perverted pleasure. You suck at flying airplanes (at this stage) and are only an accident away from FORCED retirement. Since you are elderly, you could care less whether you are forced out ... it's the young co-pilot with his whole career ahead of him that will suffer in any investigation. But you don't care about anyone but yourself, do you?

Hey, I've been around the block long enough to know the game ... the selfish game of "fly till I'm forced out" ... the heck with the consequences. I've seen enough co-pilot careers ruined (that were reluctant to speak up) by dangerous old timers.

You knew the game when you started ... age 60 is retirement. Poor planning on your part does not necessitate a change on all of our parts. Bow out gracefully you old farts!

BBB

BBB, I would be willing to bet that the only dangerous pilot in the cockpit that you find yourself in is the arrogant loud mouth who would make such absurd statements like yours.

 

[Phaedrus]

The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

Soooo, if the wise man knows he's a fool and the fool doth think he is wise then the fool is a wise man is a fool is a wise man, etc, etc. This quote that you use--I do not think it means what you think it means.
Props to Inigo Montoya.