APA President raises the white flag of surrender

[Jetjockey]

ALPA has the BEST people in North America when it comes to dealing with pilot contracts. However, your MEC has to listen to them and take their advice.

You got that one wrong ALPA is one big job killing machine, just look what they have done to the industry ask the pros at Delta, United, America West/US Air and on and on and on. They talk a big talk but loose every fight in the long run, just ask the boys at Com Air.

If you guys would work instead of trying to find ways out of work maybe the company would take care of you, instead you guys love to sit home and tell your friends and neighbors how much you dont work and get paid to do it.

You guys need to move on let guys that want to work and fly have your seat and you can spend more time running your yogurt shop.

I have never been around a group of people that whine and complain more that unionized airline pilots. Enough is never enough, you spend the first half of your life selling your soul to get on at a major, then spend the rest of your life trying to screw the company who pays you. WTFO

Blah, blah, blah blah blah,

Yeah, management will take care of us. Simplistic fool.

 

[flynvixen]

Blah, blah, blah blah blah,

Yeah, management will take care of us. Simplistic fool.

Well ALPA/APA are doing a bang up job of taking care of you guys now. ALPA/APA give the NON in NON PROFIT.

Get over it and get back to work you will not get retro anything and for the amount of work you do you are making more than you should.

Get back to work or give your seat to somebody that really wants to fly airplanes.

Cheers Vato's

 

[Jetjockey]

Get back to work or give your seat to somebody that really wants to fly airplanes.

Cheers Vato's

Sounds like management to me. Get back to kissing your bosses behind, and shuffle some papers to look busy desk dude.

 

[TWA Dude]

Bashing ALPA or APA is easy. Finding solutions and the leverage to implement them is hard. And there's nothing great about SWAPA. SW is a well-run and profitable airline that would make any union look good. The true test of a union is how they handle the tough times. In that regard ALPA is no less incompetent than any other (USAPA, the anti-union, excluded).

 

[flynvixen]

Sounds like management to me. Get back to kissing your bosses behind, and shuffle some papers to look busy desk dude.

Hey Jet Jocky

just passing on the facts maybe you should get back to work and make your company some money, then ask for a raise instead of trying to burn the house down and then ask for a raise ???

I dont know how AA keeps the doors open with you guys dragging your feet on the taxi ways ect ect

The company knows what you guys are up to and hands out one beat down after another to you guys and will continue doing it until you guys get with the program and start working.

AA is not a charity, they need pilots to work not sit home and brag to the neighbors about how much they don't work and how much money they make doing nothing.

Maybe you should put as much effort into your flying job as you do in running your yogurt shop.

I'm just saying

 

[Jetjockey]

Hey Jet Jocky

just passing on the facts maybe you should get back to work and make your company some money, then ask for a raise instead of trying to burn the house down and then ask for a raise ???

I dont know how AA keeps the doors open with you guys dragging your feet on the taxi ways ect ect

The company knows what you guys are up to and hands out one beat down after another to you guys and will continue doing it until you guys get with the program and start working.

AA is not a charity, they need pilots to work not sit home and brag to the neighbors about how much they don't work and how much money they make doing nothing.

Maybe you should put as much effort into your flying job as you do in running your yogurt shop.

I'm just saying

I'm not an AA pilot or a yogurt shop owner. (do those places still exist??).

You are a troll. Your whopping 20 posts make a newbie around here. We have seen the likes of you come and go. You spout of tirades, mostly anti-union and usually have nothing valuable to contribute to any thread. Your type likes to incite and arouse other "true" pilots who contribute real information.

You are another ass clown we can add to the long list of trolls who have frequented the boards over the 10+ years I have been around. Go enjoy some yogurt management troll.

 

[flynvixen]

You are another ass clown we can add to the long list of trolls who have frequented the boards over the 10+ years I have been around. Go enjoy some yogurt management troll.[/QUOTE]

Wow
Cant argue the facts so throw rocks at the messenger. Come on tool boy man up and defend your position. The fact is the industry is tired of paying pilots to sit at home and complain. Every contract you guys want more money for less work and the company's have at long last said no.

So with that being said let me say one more time for the hard of hearing ALPA/APA commie wackos that want what the CEO makes while sitting home and plotting to burn the house down........get your lazy you know what back to work or let a pilot that wants to work have your seat, Sphincter boy.

Next time please come to the argument ready to defend your position and not throw insults at the facts and the messenger.

Cheers Vato

 

[Jetjockey]

So Vixen is anti labor, pro management. He wants everyone to work 100 hours for less pay. He believes the status quo is just fine. He probably thinks the rest rules are perfect they way they are. I bet he is even in favor of foreign ownership and cabotage.

Beside deride ALPA and, APA. What is your point? Make it clear for the forum to see your true colors.

I'm pro-union and PRO-LABOR. What is truly your stance Vixen?

I'm starting to think you should find an avatar with a blonde draped by a Nazi flag you fascist.

Up yours Vato

 

[flynvixen]

I'm pro-union and PRO-LABOR. What is truly your stance Vixen?

I'm starting to think you should find an avatar with a blonde draped by a Nazi flag you fascist.

Up yours Vato[/QUOTE]

Wow
again one more time for sphincter boy I am pro business. without company's you have nothing, the ALPA/APA job killing machine does not pay one paycheck fool your company does.....got it yet. For the amount of time you work you are way over paid. You would complain if you only had to work one day a month because it was not the day you wanted off. You guys are never happy face it you live for the fight and think you are worth way more than you are.

Since when should a company pay more for a service when they can get the same service elsewhere cheaper ???? you don't pay more for your car than you have to, in fact you are always trying to get it cheaper shopping around if you have to. How about the house or in your case the trailer you live in, did you just pay what the builder or seller wanted or did you try and get it cheaper ???? tell me you cry baby tell me..... no you tried to get it cheaper did you not ???

But now you want your company to pay you more than you are worth for less work and continued complaining by you and that's ok because the company is one of the evil corporations that you commie union power to worker types think is only fair ??WTFO

You should have lived in Russia back in the 1919 when you commie pinkos brought your soviet style work rules to Russia. Look how it worked out for them, power to the worker bet your also a green peace enviro wacko also.

Your are a super tool and I hope you find yourself unemployed soon due to your anti company mindset.

Have a rotten day in your wife beater and run down trailer you live in and enjoy the time off and low pay and get ready for your next company beat down that is on its way I am sure.

Cheers Vato

 

[dicko]

Come on tool boy

ALPA/APA commie wackos.

Sphincter boy.

Next time please come to the argument ready to defend your position and not throw insults at the facts and the messenger.

Cheers Vato

You're probably not bright enough to realize the hypocrisy of your post ... Are you ?

 

[UALjan15]

Congrats, flynvixen.....you now join Tanker Clown as the only two guys on my ignore list. That takes some doing for me, you should be proud.

 

[flynvixen]

Congrats, flynvixen.....you now join Tanker Clown as the only two guys on my ignore list. That takes some doing for me, you should be proud.

Like I said

You dont have one come back and cannot defend your position at all and you tools at united started this in 2000 with your contract that started the demise of your career field........ good job fool.

You guys know I am right but just hit ignore when the truth is spelled out in a way you cannot dispute ???

get back to work and stop complaining you guys are lazy tools with way too much time on your hands. your out of work and on the street because you burned your own house down fool. It is your own fault

 

[flynvixen]

You're probably not bright enough to realize the hypocrisy of your post ... Are you ?

Bring it Dicko

I dont see you defending the ALPA job killing machine or the lazy unproductive pilots out there burning their company's down then demanding a pay raise ????

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Your are a super tool and I hope you find yourself unemployed soon due to your anti company mindset.

More, ehem, facts?

 

[Taco Rocket]

Mr. Lorenzo, how much will you profit when Doug Parker makes a run for AA?

 

[flynvixen]

Mr. Lorenzo, how much will you profit when Doug Parker makes a run for AA?

Shut it down sell it off it's the only solution, then listen to the lazy greedy pilots from APA howl. The bad news is the pilots will then flock to other airlines like locust bringing the malcontents to other airlines and starting the fight and demise of other airlines just like they have brought to AA.

Good job guys you have killed a longtime company good job APA

cheers vato's

 

[max motoring]

I'm just a lurker here, but this flyvixen is a management wind-up-guy, who obviously has no clue about flying the line. His profile has 18,000 hours flown and a 73 type, doubt that, come on dude!

The union like it or not is a necessary evil in our profession. Without the union the management and share-holders would abuse the workforce for profit, it's a historical proven reality, and safety as we all know is a nice creed to live by, but not a consequence to profit.

Must have been hard getting those 18,000 737 hours without the union behind you.

MM

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm just a lurker here, but this flyvixen is a management wind-up-guy, who obviously has no clue about flying the line. His profile has 18,000 hours flown and a 73 type, doubt that, come on dude!

The union like it or not is a necessary evil in our profession. Without the union the management and share-holders would abuse the workforce for profit, it's a historical proven reality, and safety as we all know is a nice creed to live by, but not a consequence to profit.

Must have been hard getting those 18,000 737 hours without the union behind you.

MM

Could be or he really could be clueless and is bitter because all the ALPA carriers turned him down and he had to buy a 737 type to get hired at SWA 10 or 15 years ago. He does sound like someone who sits around watching Fox news with a framed picture of Gary Kelley in his lap.

He clearly doesn't realize that SWA was smart enough to try and work with their employees to the benefit of all and ALPA, while not perfect, has had to deal with a lot of not so enlightened management teams. Also, he spent much of his career working for a lot less pay than most 737 pilots to try and build his airline (shiny jet syndrome??). Now we hear all these SWA pilots bragging about how much more than others they make and yet he is boasting that the other unions are tearing down their respective companies and how wonderful SWAPA is. He could be in for a rude awaking. The only constant is change in this industry.
Most of the SWA folks I've met seem pretty level headed, I don't think he is the norm.

 

[max motoring]

Agreed Dan....Suprised too that a SW guy would be so bitter.

Back to the thread topic! The APA president is pandering to the NMB to have a chance- this decade- to be released. It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government. You bet if APA was an AFL/CIO member the NMB might be put under a little pressure, but not the case here for the APAssociation.

MM

 

[stlflyguy]

It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government.
MM

Whaaaaaaat?

 

[max motoring]

It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government.


Pilot union can't do anything for fear of fines from the Texas Judge in AMR's pocket, because the union is not released to self-help, per the RLA. NMB a.k.a., the government, decides when you can be released. The NMB is not even engaged right now with the negociations because in the NMB's opinion, there's too many issues the APA wants to negociate. So it's status-quo forever, government has the leverage........

MM

 

[flynvixen]

I'm just a lurker here, but this flyvixen is a management wind-up-guy, who obviously has no clue about flying the line. His profile has 18,000 hours flown and a 73 type, doubt that, come on dude!


Must have been hard getting those 18,000 737 hours without the union behind you.

MM

Hey Max

First of all I have put another half a dozen types on the profile but really whats the point.

Second I have always had flying jobs where I actually flew airplanes..allot, unlike you guys who sell your souls to get on at a major and then stop flying sit home and complain, plotting to burn your own company down all the while running your yogurt shop.

When you guys stop complaining, start working and making some money for your company for a change maybe you will get that raise you say you are worth.?

Dont get me wrong sitting at home getting paid to complain is good work if you can get it but how long can your company continue to pay you not to work before it shuts the doors and sends you all packing.

I'm just saying

 

[stlflyguy]

It's about time, pitty that the RLA gives all the leverage power to the government.


Pilot union can't do anything for fear of fines from the Texas Judge in AMR's pocket, because the union is not released to self-help, per the RLA. NMB a.k.a., the government, decides when you can be released. The NMB is not even engaged right now with the negociations because in the NMB's opinion, there's too many issues the APA wants to negociate. So it's status-quo forever, government has the leverage........

MM

I beg to differ. In the scales of negotiations, the NMB is the fulcrum. Where they move the fulcrum--either towards management or labor is up to them. The leverage is whomever has the strength. Right now it's management because they're painting the picture that the APA's demands are unrealistic. So unless APA comes off of their position (read Bate's letter) or has some political influence with the NMB (not likely when you're not affiliated with AFL-CIO) they're going to be parked.

Had it been the other way around...and labor had the strength...you'd see the NMB release the parties.