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jumppilot said:
My engineering friend from college are making a lot more than me, but sitting in a cubicle these days makes more money than what we do. But I digress, I guess we don't have the same responsibility.

Here we go, the rich engineer strikes again. Funny I sure don't know too many of them, even though I've worked with hundreds. I sure know a lot of boring ones though.
 
Can you name any industry that is heavily unionized and successful? It will never happen in my lifetime but imagine if date of hire were thrown out and all pilots were paid based on experience. We would have the same pay and freedom that your engineer friends do. Don't like the pay and work rules at your airline? Then you could take your type ratings and 10,000 hour logbook and go to one that treated you better, without starting at the bottom competing against 1000 hour CFI's.

Date-of-hire is obsolete. Pay people based on merit, training and experience instead of tenure. Like I said, it'll never happen in my lifetime but this is the way every other career in the world operates and it would work for this one, too.
 
antisocialist said:
Can you name any industry that is heavily unionized and successful? It will never happen in my lifetime but imagine if date of hire were thrown out and all pilots were paid based on experience. We would have the same pay and freedom that your engineer friends do. Don't like the pay and work rules at your airline? Then you could take your type ratings and 10,000 hour logbook and go to one that treated you better, without starting at the bottom competing against 1000 hour CFI's.

Date-of-hire is obsolete. Pay people based on merit, training and experience instead of tenure. Like I said, it'll never happen in my lifetime but this is the way every other career in the world operates and it would work for this one, too.

laugh...I like it!

CE
 
jumppilot said:
ALPA droped the ball while I was still in high school, and we are all paying the price..

And yet here you are.....

If it is ALPA's fault, then that means it isn't you're fault.... but yet you are still screwed.....


It's easier to be the victim............
 
There is no ALPA, ALPA is the guys who pay dues, if ALPA is at fault then it is the dues payers that are at fault. Every contract is local in the best interest of the pilots in the local.
 
pilotyip said:
There is no ALPA, ALPA is the guys who pay dues, if ALPA is at fault then it is the dues payers that are at fault. Every contract is local in the best interest of the pilots in the local.

In theory perhaps. Kind of like we can "control" our politicians in the same manner.....and we all know how well that's working.
 
I sat next to an airline management type guy today when I was deadheading from DEN. We talked somewhat about the industry and he said that the airline industry has been "NORMALIZED" now. Those were his words. I guess that to him we have all been overpaid and underworked. Now we are "normalized."
 

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