AOPA article; "The glory days are over"

[flx757]

flx757 is the Rhoid. Ignore ALL posts from him in the future.

I believe the administrators of this site know differently. But, nice try.

 

[LXJ31]

flx757 is the Rhoid. Ignore ALL posts from him in the future.

Its amazing how much time you waste here. Go mow the lawn.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

JOIN ALPA!

The above quote, taken as advice, is concerning.

Regrettably, ALPA leadership (Duane Worthless) has been a total failure. Scope was not held and Regional airlines have now become the outsourced standard. There is no power to strike at this time in this situation which means there is no power in a union.

The only place where there will be power in the future is in an airline like UPS because they have the POWER to strike effectively. A strike at UPS will be honored by all the Teamsters which means the drivers. A strike by the drivers means it will be honored by the pilots. That is power and that translates into $300K per year or more for captains.

Does anyone think a strike by ALPA pilots would be honored by anyone now days? Not a chance and that means ALPA captains pay is on the way down even more. ALPA pilots are as replaceable as the flight attendants.

What is anyone worth? The answer is only determined by the power of your position. Or in other words: You are worth what you can get.

Questions: Ask Mr. Worthless.

The immediate problem: ALPA is in a denial phase instead of acting when the course is clear for long term security.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

I haven't seen the article but have read other stuff by Barry Schiff and he seems to be OK. With that said, perhaps the pendulum will swing so far to the one side (low wages) that people will stop applying and then companies will start paying better to attract quality candidates. If pay continues to decline though it could put the PFT places out of business . Unfortunately by then flying will become so automated that it won't require "real" pilots.

 

[mcjohn]

Sounds like one son made the poor decision to fly for TWA and will be waiting for a very long time to be recalled. The other was just a loser.

EMB Skillz is a schizophrenic flamebating S.O.B. and needs to be banned again. He brings the board down and that is his only purpose for existing here. I don't care who he works for or what his thoughts on ALPA are when he vents his own frustrations in the format of a toddler. I seriously pity the poor bastards that have to fly with him.

Do everyone a favor EMB and put yourself out of your misery already. You are mentally unfit.

 

[mcjohn]

On another note. This ALPA stuff totally freaks me out and I find the details of the article mentioned very disturbing/interesting. I have no desire to fly for the airlines anymore. How in the world is all this stuff being ALLOWED to happen. Makes me sick. I don't know much, but common sense tells me that the two guys up front of a airliner carrying live human cargo should be paid well. HOW THE HELL ARE THEY NOT EVEN GETTING PAID LIVABLE WAGES?!

What does it tell you when you get rewarded for carrying boxes and punished for carrying humans? What is the world coming to?

 

[A Squared]

What does it tell you when you get rewarded for carrying boxes and punished for carrying humans?

Ummmm, that you should carry boxes?

 

[mcjohn]

Yeah, I've got that one figured out. Now let me ask this. Are the airline pilots in other countries having these same issues? If not, then.......well I don't even want to go there.
This airline issue is pathetic. I'm not one to insist that every airline pilot must make 6 figures or anything but I sense that the "real" reasons behind the horrible pay are bad ones that should be dealt with forcefully.
Over and over and over in my head:
HOW THE HELL ARE THEY NOT EVEN GETTING PAID LIVABLE WAGES AS F/Os!?
And the whole GIA thing......WTF?!! (I almost went there!) uke:

SERIOUS PROBLEM

 

[Hold West]

What does it tell you when you get rewarded for carrying boxes and punished for carrying humans? What is the world coming to?

People are willing to pay $15.95 to send an ounce of documents to New York overnight, but only $49 to fly their fat 300 pound butt the same route.

And the airlines cater to that!

 

[mcjohn]

O.K. this cheap ass "300 pound butt" is getting into the territory that I tried to steer clear of talking about above.
Back to the question then. Do the airline pilots in other countries have these same issues?