Anyone know of a list of retirements by year @ different airlines Yeah 65 just add 5

[Herk Bubba]

Bring in 2013... And mandatory retirements back to AA.

01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 62
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 84
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 112
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 135
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 191
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 301
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 419
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 535
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 580
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 646
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 703
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 717
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 714
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 705
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 596
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 511
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 474
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 415
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 435
01/01/2032 - 12/31/2032 386
01/01/2033 - 12/31/2033 368

And here's to 2014, AA is hiring so now retiring pilots from the top while bringing in fresh blood on the bottom...


Projected Retirements for 2014 - 2034
(Projections based on active pilots turning 65 in the given year.)
Roster Data Updated on: 12/27/2013

Year Total
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 76
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 107
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 129
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 182
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 292
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 411
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 535
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 580
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 650
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 696
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 715
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 719
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 710
01/01/2027 - 12/31/2027 609
01/01/2028 - 12/31/2028 529
01/01/2029 - 12/31/2029 488
01/01/2030 - 12/31/2030 432
01/01/2031 - 12/31/2031 445
01/01/2032 - 12/31/2032 393
01/01/2033 - 12/31/2033 368
01/01/2034 - 12/31/2034 252

 

[bafanguy]

Those AA numbers look encouraging. Do you have the source of the data ?

And, I guess they don't include USAir pilots ?

 

[waveflyer]

It's no coincidence that it has been among the safest five years in aviation
history.

You're right- we have much more experienced FO's getting paid less to do the capt's job... Perfect for you I imagine, but in your mind I guess we're supposed to let the situations gummers create get all the way to an accident...?

 

[waveflyer]

Hey herk,
I'm confused about your numbers and catching up to this thread-
2013's over- your projection went from 359 years ago to just 62 that actually did it. So these aren't mandatory retirements, where did those AA numbers come from?

 

[General Lee]

Hey herk,
I'm confused about your numbers and catching up to this thread-
2013's over- your projection went from 359 years ago to just 62 that actually did it. So these aren't mandatory retirements, where did those AA numbers come from?

Wave,

So, how many guys at your old legacy are leaving in the next ten years? How about at SWA?


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Don't know. Don't care.
Not the biggest factor I considered by a long shot.

But that's me.

 

[Herk Bubba]

Hey herk,
I'm confused about your numbers and catching up to this thread-
2013's over- your projection went from 359 years ago to just 62 that actually did it. So these aren't mandatory retirements, where did those AA numbers come from?

Once a year (normally Jan 1st or so) I post the mandatory retirements for the next 20 years at AA. I do it once a year so I can try to find trends ... Like: are the majority staying until 62 or 63...? Just using it as a barometer...

62 were mandatory in 2013
76 are mandatory in 2014

I didn't look at my previous posts... But if 2013 number was 359 years ago, then that means they retired early... Didn't stay until max retirement age.

Why did so many guys retire early? I think we had 500+ pilots bail in the 3 months leading up to our Ch 11 filing in Nov 2011... They all took the lump sum and ran. Those that stayed in past the filing lost their lump sum and the pension is frozen. Better than being dumped to the PBGC, but worse than being allowed to take the money and run.

Edit: no, does not include USAir pilots... And the info is straight from the company.

 

[bafanguy]

Herk,

Thanks for the info.

 

[doh]

http://www.imis100us1.com/uaa/CMDow...tItemKey=be396c36-79aa-40d6-b05b-0346aa516af1

Page 22 at the bottom.

 

[NuGuy]

Once a year (normally Jan 1st or so) I post the mandatory retirements for the next 20 years at AA. I do it once a year so I can try to find trends ... Like: are the majority staying until 62 or 63...? Just using it as a barometer...

62 were mandatory in 2013
76 are mandatory in 2014

I didn't look at my previous posts... But if 2013 number was 359 years ago, then that means they retired early... Didn't stay until max retirement age.

Why did so many guys retire early? I think we had 500+ pilots bail in the 3 months leading up to our Ch 11 filing in Nov 2011... They all took the lump sum and ran. Those that stayed in past the filing lost their lump sum and the pension is frozen. Better than being dumped to the PBGC, but worse than being allowed to take the money and run.

Edit: no, does not include USAir pilots... And the info is straight from the company.

I would add that you can't use the old statistics for guys going early for medical issues.

While you would think that going early for medical reasons would be fairly cut and dried, the reality is that it isn't.

Back in the day, say 1999, lets use the example of a 57 YO dude (or dudette). They had a medical issue that grounds them. They have 1800 hours of sick time saved up, plus LTD. They could easily coast to age 60 with practically no loss in pay, and still receive their full DB.

Even if they were younger, say 55, sick leave and LTD would probably take them to 58, then go to a medical retirement, with little or no penalty.

With those sets of financial circumstances, my guess is unless they had some kind of overriding personal desire to go back to work, they could just retire and be done with it. Depending on when they got hired and the nature of the DB plan, working extra may not even add to their accrued benefit.

Sure, they could try to get their medical back, but it was hardly the end of the world if they didn't, and so the effort expended was probably fairly modest. My guess is that's what accounted for rather large percentage of folks that didn't make it to 60.

These days, there is no DB plan to coast into, and as a result, people are far, far more aggressive in regaining their medicals. As a result, not only are the pilots who are working staying until 65, but a far larger percentage of those who would nominally have coasted off into the sunset, are coming back to work.

Nu