Anyone here want to admit they work for GJ

[h25b]

Will someone please inform this idiot on the correct meaning of the word "Scab"

With pleasure...

Here's to you craappmuncher!!!

Main Entry: scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch--more at SHAVE
1: scabies of domestic animals
2: a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3: a contemptible person (1): a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2): a union member who refuses to st***e or returns to work before a st***e has ended (3): a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a st***e (4): ONE WHO WORKS FOR LESS THAN UNION WAGES OR ON NONUNION TERMS
4: any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also one of the spots

BLOWJET PILOTS= (4) ONE WHO WORKS FOR LESS THAN UNION WAGES OR ON NONUNION TERMS= SCAB!!!!!


IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? Not to mention the fact Blowjet is an alter-ego airline that started up in direct violation of my CBA (collective bargaining agreement) on an opportunity created by my hardworking brothers and sisters at TSA. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

1. The best you can argue is that the situation exploits a loophole in your CBA. Several current TSA pilots have openly admitted this on this forum. Period.

2. Here's the REAL definition of a SCAB, straight from the dictionary without any of your additions.

scab
n.

1. 1. A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
   2. An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
   3. A person hired to replace a striking worker.

GJ Pilots are actively trying to seek union representation. TSA is not on strike, therefore GJ pilots are not strikebreakers. GJ pilots are not hired to replace any striking workers.

I for one would have nothing to do with being at GJ, but lets at least keep things accurate. If you're going to stretch the truth does that make you any better than the GJ pilots ??? I think not.

 

[DX Rick]

2. Here's the REAL definition of a SCAB, straight from the dictionary without any of your additions.

scab
n.

1. 1. A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
   2. An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
   3. A person hired to replace a striking worker.

In no way am I defending any G*Jet guys, but how did they refuse to join a union? Didn't they become part of some teamsters union?

Along with that, GJ started off with no union when they started hiring. So how can a new hire off the street be a scab? The was no union for him to refuse, and no pilots were on strike.

I can see how you can label the TSA and other former ALPA drivers scabs by going to work for GJ.

I just wanted to clarfiy this because the word "Scab" has been twisted and contorded so much that everyone is being labeled a SCAB now.

 

[logolight]

They're not scabs as defined within the industry. However, since the Trans States pilots would not work for lower wages, the company is puting whorejets pilots in their place to work for lower wages instead and taking away growth from the Trans States pilots. That makes the GJ's pilots scabs to the Trans States pilots.

 

[smfav8r]

Since no-one seems to agree what a SCAB is...

Since the Mainline Pilots wouldn't work for TSA pilots wages....wouldn't that make TSA pilots SCABS????

Just something to think about!

 

[logolight]

Since no-one seems to agree what a SCAB is...

Since the Mainline Pilots wouldn't work for TSA pilots wages....wouldn't that make TSA pilots SCABS????

Just something to think about!

Hey, good point. But I think the difference is that mainline and TSA are different companies whereas TSA and GJ's are under the same roof. i.e. two pilots in the same aircraft and seat but making two different pay scales from the same payroll department.

 

[pilotlbs]

Grow up kid

You're a tool. I don't really work for G0Jets, but it was a hoot getting you all fired up. It's really made my weekend.

Wow, real big man napolean... I hope you're making someone proud... Besides yourself.

 

[CRJDispatchKid]

I'm sorry I've upset some of you. I think it's pretty hypocritical to bash me about my comments but its acceptable for others to talk about screwing my wife. That's pretty grown up, mature, and particularly professional.

The intention of my original post on this thread wasn't to piss anyone off, choose sides in this debate, etc. I just questioned why a crewmember who isn't affiliated with TSA or G0jets was so concerned about their cause. I never really got an answer in a civilized manner so I'll just drop it. Good luck to you all.

 

[Economy101]

With pleasure...



1. The best you can argue is that the situation exploits a loophole in your CBA. Several current TSA pilots have openly admitted this on this forum. Period.

2. Here's the REAL definition of a SCAB, straight from the dictionary without any of your additions.

scab
n.

1. 1. A worker who refuses membership in a labor union.
   2. An employee who works while others are on strike; a strikebreaker.
   3. A person hired to replace a striking worker.

Go to www.dictionary.com, type in the word scab and the definition I gave earlier, no additions, will be displayed. The term SCAB has been loosely used in several cases I agree, this is not one of those cases. Do you understand?

And people you are all missing the point! GJ was created to get around my CBA. TSA and GJ are owned by the same company. Ex-TSA pilots that went over are no worse than those that were hired off the street. It is a pilots' duty and obligation to do his/her homework on a company prior to an interview. Had any of those guys done just a little investigation, they would have realized that GJ was bad news and declined the postion or the interview itself. Attached is a thread I started earlier, maybe some of you haven't read it or found it but here it is again.

I am an active employee of TSA and have been for 5 years now. Blow Jet Airlines is an alter-ego airline specifically designed to circumvent my CBA. I voted no on that last offer, not in hopes of getting a 2nd offer, but to avoid a POS contract extension which would have single handedly affected each and every pilot in the regionals. We try to move the bar higher and higher, maybe we even need to keep the bar level a bit sometimes, BUT WE MUST NOT MOVE BACKWARDS!! Mesa and CHQ moved the bar backwards, and each respective airline has a chance to redeem themselves when their next contract is due. In August of 2000 TSA pilots ratified a contract that missed on scope language. In May of 2003 the TSA MEC ratified an extension that missed on scope language. ALPA National really screwed our pooch by not recognizing this oversight TWICE! TSA pilots voted NO to protect that bar. Even after extreme pressure was placed on us by TSA Management and ALPA National to vote yes. So now I have to hear shlit from a-holes like H2B, FUELFLOW, THEO, and any other blow jet loving/supporting/employee dlikchead! FUCH YOU! That airline started because of our POS managment team driven by an arsehole (Dive Tznaki) who was pissed off at our MEC after he didn't win his LEC Chair election. He fueled the fire for a dumb azz management decision. Any blow jet pilot or other pilot that supports a person who will stab you in the back, take food off of my family's table to put it on their own and then try to go to work at a SCAB airline on my airline or any other airline, then later when trying to go home have the balls to ask me to help him get to see his kid or wife or whatever has go anther thing coming. This industry sucks, in all honesty had I known 12 years ago where I'd be today, I would have picked a different career. You watch...the TSA pilots might take it in the azz with a crappy extension after all is said and done, but that means all those blowjet fuchers are coming back to my list and then their lives will be a living hell. H2B or whatever the hell your screen name is, FUCH OFF! You may think you have a point about the scab list not making a difference, I beg to differ. Several of my TSA brothers and sisters that have moved onto different airlines or even in the corporate world and are on the constant look out for any blowjet pilots. The list just emblazons the fact that the blowjet pukes and all the scabs or addendum scabs will get what they deserve. Listed below is the actual scope of my CBA. The gray area is the fact it states "company" not TSAH or TSA. like I said earlier...that should have been fixed...TWICE! Furthurmore, I'm tired of hearing that I'm getting bad advice from my MEC. MY MEC HAS DONE NOTHING BUT PROTECT MY INTERESTS AND LIVLELYHOOD! While I didn't support the fact my MEC ratified the 1st extension without a pilot vote, I did support the extension. We didn't want to negotiate a new contract at that time, the conditions in the industry were too turbulent. In fact I believe they are still too turbulent to negotiate and getting worse by the days with more airlines seeking bankrupcy protection. Additionally, I've heard from a reliable inside source that TSA/BLOWJET doesn't even want IBT. They furthurmore are tired of talking to (DT), they realized he's an idiot too! Also for you little blowjetters that want to reply. You are not and can not be represented by any union until the Single Carrier Petition has been decided on by the NMB. Do you understand? IBT can do all the little back door crap it wants, but the company has no accountabilty to any of your stupid IBT requests and will do whatever it pleases to you. I actually almost enjoy that a little. I know I would not like to be able to bid once a QUARTER, for a 9 day off guarantee, with 5-6 day trips and no block or better. Below is also are current pay rates and what they offered us in or extension for blow jet rates. Haven't done a post like this since college!!

TSA Contract
Section 1.B. SCOPE
"1. All flying in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company and any wet lease or charter flying presently performed or to be performed in the future by the Company, shall be performed by active Pilots on the Trans States Airlines Pilots' Seniority List and shall be flown in accordance with all of the provisions of the Employment agreement and applicable amendments thereto between the Company and the Pilots as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (AFL-CIO)."
"2. Notwithstanding paragraph B.1. above, the Company may assign or contract out flying for periods not in excess of ninety (90) days if such conduct is necessary to accomplish the needs of the service of the Company, and the Company does not have sufficient aircraft or pilots available to perform the flying assigned or contracted out and no company pilot is furloughed as a result of such contracting out such flying."

Section 1.C. Successorship
"2. The Company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and condtions of the Agreement."

This came into play when we coudn't agree on 70 and 90 seat pay scales. That is why Blowjet was created, along with avoiding the scope language of APA in regards to our American Connection contract.

TSA Pay Rates
ERJ-145 (Effective now)
CPT FO
0-1 55.05 22.29
1-2 56.82 25.46
2-3 58.57 32.33
3-4 60.33 33.46
4-5 62.08 34.57
5-6 63.84
6-7 65.81 The FO's pay caps at 5 year pay.

Offered for our 4 year extension to take BLowjet
EMB-170/CRJ-700 (Would have been effective now)
CPT FO
0-1 55.50 22.29
1-2 57.50 25.46
2-3 60.00 33.00
3-4 62.00 34.00
4-5 64.00 35.00
5-6 66.00
6-7 68.00 The FO's pay caps at 5 year pay.

EMB-190/CRJ-900
CPT FO
0-1 59.50 22.29
1-2 62.50 25.46
2-3 65.50 33.00
3-4 67.50 34.00
4-5 70.00 35.00
5-6 72.00
6-7 73.50 The FO's pay caps at 5 year pay.

Aren't these rates wonderful!!!!! I want to sign up for that job...oh that's right...i can....all i need to do is apply at blowjet. I don't know where pilots get off thinking that flight time equals compensation. It doesn't!! The moment you received your commercial pilot's license you were permitted to be paid for your skill. The idea that I can take a cut now because flight time is valuable is bullshlit. I'm sure most of you still have student loans that are not paid off yet because you wanted to learn to fly. We paid the added expense to get our licenses, why must we keep paying for our jobs? The public notion that pilots are well payed is BS, if we make it that far (senior widebody captain or even an FO) and don't get furloughed, pist off at the industry and change professions, fired, etc we might have a chance to earn a decent wage. I've been paying my dues since the first day I decided I wanted to be a pilot. I'm still paying them like everyone else, so why in GOD'S GREEN EARTH WOULD I WANT TO GIVE A BIGGER/NEWER A/C TO A SCAB FUCH AT BLOWJET. WHY DO THEY DESERVE IT OVER ME....THEY FrickING DON'T!!!!! TSA pilots stood their ground not take it in the azz on behalf of the industry and it pisses me off when I see or hear any person defend those blowjet fuchs. They will never ride in my jumpseat, nor A/C if I can stop it. I will never jumpseat on them or even fly on their a/c!! :angryfire :uzi: uke:


I needed to add one more thing...AWAC has continually been our number one supporter throughout this whole ordeal. Much more so than ALPA National did or ever will. I can't thank all of you enough! From the bottom of my heart....THANK YOU!! Its guys/gals like you Capt C and all of your fellow pilots that keep my head sane, especially after reading all of the psycho babble BS from the blow jet lovers. I would help out ANY AWAC pilot anytime!!

 

[Economy101]

To say this:

I do work for G0Jets and I don't put my name on the releases because I'm afraid someone will find out about me, so I use my alias, Joe ****.
...and face it TCBKing, you don't have a house but your apartment is looking a little sad!

Then to say this:

You're a tool. I don't really work for G0Jets, but it was a hoot getting you all fired up. It's really made my weekend.

I'm kinda sorry these guys are stealing from you. Someone stole my lawnmover and weedwacker from my backyard shed a few weeks ago down here in Memphrica. Was it a G0Jet pilot trying to earn a lil something extra, maybe. That's stealing!
So in the meantime, keep fighting the fight and if it gets to be too much, just quit. The industry will still go on without you.

And then follow it up with this:

I'm sorry I've upset some of you. I think it's pretty hypocritical to bash me about my comments but its acceptable for others to talk about screwing my wife. That's pretty grown up, mature, and particularly professional.
The intention of my original post on this thread wasn't to piss anyone off, choose sides in this debate, etc. I just questioned why a crewmember who isn't affiliated with TSA or G0jets was so concerned about their cause. I never really got an answer in a civilized manner so I'll just drop it. Good luck to you all.

This is very hypocritical of you. You can't say that you didn't mean to get anyone fired about this situation or you would have never made the comments you made. There has and continues to be an obscene amount of information made readily available on the GJ topic, if you can't understand that by now then you are a total lost cause. Several attempts, on my account and others have been made to get out correct information. You have to ask and you have to pay attention when someone answers. No need to spout propaganda in hopes of upsetting anyone.

 

[Economy101]

From the American Eagle ALPA VARS:

1. G0 Jets Airlines

It has come to the attention of the Association that some pilots employed by G0 Jets Airlines have attempted to access flight deck jumpseats on American and American Eagle Airlines. There is no current reciprocal agreement in place between G0 Jets Airlines and American or American Eagle Airlines, therefore, access to cockpit jumpseats is currently prohibited.

It has also come to the attention of the Association that some carriers are promoting GJs as a viable option for furloughed pilots. Eagle ALPA does not agree with this position. G0 Jets was specifically created to circumvent the American / APA Collective Bargaining Agreement while simultaneously whipsawing the ALPA represented Trans States Airlines pilots into further concessions. Pilot career interest in the GJs entity is not currently recommended.

From the US Airways Code-a-phone Read Item #2

MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE
November 2, 2005

This is Jack Stephan with a US Airways MEC update for Wednesday,
November 2nd, with four new items.

Item 1. The MEC reconvened its special meeting today in Herndon, VA and
spent the majority of the day receiving a comprehensive report from our
Merger Committee in closed session. Details of their presentation to
the MEC will be available on the pilots only website later this week.

The MEC unanimously passed a resolution on the allocation of stock
called for in LOA 94. The MEC determined that the stock is to be
distributed on an equal per capita basis to all pilots who were active
US Airways, Inc. pilots, during the period commencing October 2004 (the
month LOA 93 was signed) through September 2005 inclusive. In addition
pilots in the following classifications during the period October 2004
through September 2005 inclusive, shall also be issued stock: pilots on
military leave, ALPA leave, bereavement or emergency leave, and
termination pending review. There is also a provision for pilots who
left the service of the Company during this time to receive stock on a
prorated basis. The resolution also seeks to have the Company withhold
stock to pay for each pilot's withholding tax.

This complete resolution is posted on the pilots only home page under
"What's New."

A late agenda item was accepted for consideration. The MEC unanimously
passed a resolution authorizing the MEC Chairman to execute a
Memorandum of Understanding, under certain conditions, concerning the Company's commitments proposed in the Republic employment fact sheet. This resolution is also posted on the pilots only home page under "What's
New."
The special MEC meeting adjourned at 6:45 p.m.

Item 2. Yesterday's MEC Code-a-Phone included an item on available
pilot positions at G0 Jet Airlines. It is necessary to inform you that G0 Jet is an
"alter ego" airline created by Trans States Airlines Holdings, which
also operates Trans States Airlines (a US Airways affiliate and Jets
for Jobs carrier). GJ was created to avoid union representation, with
the intention of denying the ALPA pilots at Trans States the right to fly
the 70-seat aircraft at GJ, and to dodge compliance with the terms
and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between the Trans
States pilots and their management. The Trans States pilots are still
battling their management to obtain the G0 Jet flying under their ALPA
CBA.

In addition to establishing an alter ego carrier, Trans States
management has also engaged in a disturbing and reprehensible pattern
of contract noncompliance and led a personal campaign against union
representatives, wrongfully terminating two pilots and a flight
attendant.

We apologize to the Trans States pilots for any harm that was caused by
erroneously announcing the availability of pilot jobs at G0 Jet. We
strongly support the Trans States pilots and understand the threat that
GJ represents to their careers. All pilots should know that the US
Airways MEC does not condone accepting employment at G0 Jet Airlines.

Item 3. By mutual agreement between ALPA and US Airways management, MDA negotiations have been deferred until after the arbitrator has issued
his decision in the Wexford/Republic arbitration. Recall that this
decision is expected in mid-November. Once these talks have resumed,
they will continue until their completion.

Item 4. The Flight Security Committee is reminding all pilots that they
must take their bags off of the airplane for inspection when going
through customs. Recently, crews on a through-flight from the
Caribbean to CLT have been leaving their bags on the plane instead of taking
their bags through customs. Please remember that if you are required to clear
customs, so do your bags. If you do not bring your bags through
customs with you, you could be fined 5,000 dollars. Please contact your Flight Security committee with any questions or concerns. Their contact
information is available on the Flight Security Committee webpage on
the pilots only website.

Please remember we now have 1,574 pilots on furlough with approximately
400 pilots currently working at MDA or Jets For Jobs carriers.

Thank you for listening.