Anyone heard from Air Wisconsin yet?

[AgreenFO]

I heard some people got a email saying thanks but no thanks, any phone calls for interviews?

 

[sayrejm]

I have not. Which is why I wonder after hearing everyone else saying they have heard something. Or, my stuff got lost.

 

[CX880]

I got a thanks but not thanks and I think I applied about 2 years ago, they're flushing out the system probably. Hang on tight, you might have a chance by next year.

 

[AgreenFO]

Yeah thats what some people are saying as well. But I haven't heard of anyone being called for an interview yet, so maybe in 25 years i'll get a call for a baggage handler job interview.

 

[jws717]

Still 14 or so on furlough. I don't see them interviewing till they recall the last batch. That will take a month or two. Plus nothing happens in Appleton during December, nothing.

 

[AgreenFO]

cool thanks,

 

[pilot772]

I heard some people got a email saying thanks but no thanks, any phone calls for interviews?

3000 hours in type of which over 1000 is PIC at another regional and 2 type ratings. I am not qualified according to the email I recieved.

 

[OPECJet]

3000 hours in type of which over 1000 is PIC at another regional and 2 type ratings. I am not qualified according to the email I recieved.

Quite possibly because you have an NJA seniority number. I've heard that none of us have had any luck at Air Wis (I DON'T speak from experience on this one, didn't apply). Could also be that no one is getting anywhere yet since they still have pilots on the street. Who knows, time is gonna tell on this one.

Given how many ex-regional guys there are at NJA I'd hate to think we're gonna get the stink eye from a regional that might be hiring right now.

 

[BoilerUP]

Given how many ex-regional guys there are at NJA I'd hate to think we're gonna get the stink eye from a regional that might be hiring right now.

Not that'd it be fair...BUT:

AWAC management is smart enough to know that a furloughed NJA pilot will bolt just as soon as they can, because AWAC (any regional for that matter) cannot come close to matching the compensation and benefits that NJA offers.

Besides, during 2006-2007 I personally observed a trend that they preferred pilots with low to mid-time and no ATP/type ratings because of the odds they'd stick around a fair amount of time (which included me when I was hired).

Best of luck finding work...I know at least 3 NJA'ers myself on the streets in a couple weeks.

 

[OPECJet]

Not that'd it be fair...BUT:

AWAC management is smart enough to know that a furloughed NJA pilot will bolt just as soon as they can, because AWAC (any regional for that matter) cannot come close to matching the compensation and benefits that NJA offers.

Besides, during 2006-2007 I personally observed a trend that they preferred pilots with low to mid-time and no ATP/type ratings because of the odds they'd stick around a fair amount of time (which included me when I was hired).

Best of luck finding work...I know at least 3 NJA'ers myself on the streets in a couple weeks.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Not that it might help much in most places, but I think the only way any of us will find our way back into many airlines will take some outside pressure. Our hiring dept gave anyone with the mins a fair chance at a job with NJA (save for the last few months of hiring). Would be nice if we get the same fair shot.

Then again this could all be premature meaningless banter and these guys have been shot down for other reasons. Personally I'd hope that all the AWAC furloughees are in class before any of us NJA types got an interview.

 

[BAe3100FO]

Personally I'd hope that all the AWAC furloughees are in class before any of us NJA types got an interview.

And that is why no one has be invited for an interview, yet.

It's a tough market out there right now. More so than when I was looking for a job, post 9/11. But keep the faith, and call in all favor's from past coworkers. I used to swing gear for a 'gent who is now "hoping to swing gear for me"...some 8 years later.

Best of luck to all...

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

Why do people want to break down the doors to work here? We have no future after 2015 when our agreement with US Air runs out.
Also this past weekend, amidst the snowstorm, many of us could not get to work and we were forced to talk to a flight manager who yelled at us, called us unprofessional and we were given no shows. I live 30 minutes from PHL and could not get there due to the snowstorm last Saturday. I was told I should have gotten a hotel near the airport.
When pilots call in sick or fatigued or refuse a junior manning assignment management threatens us with discipline.
Our REPS have been on the phone non-stop, but are getting no where as management wants to bully us.
Our maintnance stinks as our planes are breaking like an epidemic. Even one of our REPS is out due to a pressurization problem damaging one of his ears.
DO you really want to work in an enviroment like this?

 

[flyslow24]

It's quite simple. People love to fly. I'm not sure why we don't recognize that. People will do anything for a flying job. All the regionals are "********************ty" in regards to management, 'no future', etc.

The "Do I have a future campaign" for Air Wisconsin should have been applied to the entire industry.

Good luck to getting a job at Air Wis and back up in the sky!

 

[CX880]

Why do people want to break down the doors to work here? We have no future after 2015 when our agreement with US Air runs out.
Also this past weekend, amidst the snowstorm, many of us could not get to work and we were forced to talk to a flight manager who yelled at us, called us unprofessional and we were given no shows. I live 30 minutes from PHL and could not get there due to the snowstorm last Saturday. I was told I should have gotten a hotel near the airport.
When pilots call in sick or fatigued or refuse a junior manning assignment management threatens us with discipline.
Our REPS have been on the phone non-stop, but are getting no where as management wants to bully us.
Our maintnance stinks as our planes are breaking like an epidemic. Even one of our REPS is out due to a pressurization problem damaging one of his ears.
DO you really want to work in an enviroment like this?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA And this is supposed to be the one of the best regional to work for.

ABANDON ALL YEE HOPE THOSE WHO ENTER THE REGIONALS!

 

[sayrejm]

ohhhh I love the Dante's Inferno reference... nice touch.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

It's quite simple. People love to fly. I'm not sure why we don't recognize that. People will do anything for a flying job. All the regionals are "********************ty" in regards to management, 'no future', etc.

The "Do I have a future campaign" for Air Wisconsin should have been applied to the entire industry.

Good luck to getting a job at Air Wis and back up in the sky!

Unfortunately, we are our own worst enemies. We will stab each other in the back for a job or advancement. I remember the Pay For Training epidemic in the 90's. there was no shortage of pilots willing to do this. There is no shortage of pilots willing to fly for $18,000 a year.
Trust me, if they said starting pay was $400/wk and have to perform fellatio, there still would be no shortage of eager applicants.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Air Willy H.R. dept. has always been skittish, I interviewed there early 80's having lost two jobs due to bankruptcy..(gotta love Cal in the early days..), I was told by the HR lady I had an unstable employment history, and was turned down for that specific reason...seemed the only change there is that it went from an outstanding outfit to the same crap as every other regional..sad...

 

[Beaver79]

Unfortunately, we are our own worst enemies. We will stab each other in the back for a job or advancement. I remember the Pay For Training epidemic in the 90's. there was no shortage of pilots willing to do this. There is no shortage of pilots willing to fly for $18,000 a year.
Trust me, if they said starting pay was $400/wk and have to perform fellatio, there still would be no shortage of eager applicants.

I actually spit the bottle of water I was drinking all over the screen when I read the fellatio part...TOO FUNNY! And probably not far from the truth....

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

I have been here a litle more than four years. I am stuck as an FO with no relief in sight. When I first got here. I was amazed there were no MELs on the planes. And they would use MELs to get the planes into Mx bases and get them cleared. That is no longer the case and many of our planes have MEL'd seats and APUs. Our planes inside and out are very filthy, and our managment treats us like dirt. If I wanted this, I would have accepted the job at Mesa. But then again, I rode in a Mesa 900 and it was pretty clean.
What I am saying is Air Wisconsin is not the place it once was. Those days are long gone. We are treated this way and told if you don't like it, then leave. But where is there to go? And they know for each person who leaves, at least 10 others are dying to get that job.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

I actually spit the bottle of water I was drinking all over the screen when I read the fellatio part...TOO FUNNY! And probably not far from the truth....

That is why one does not drink and go on the computer at the same time.

 

[CaptainChris77]

I have been here a litle more than four years. I am stuck as an FO with no relief in sight. When I first got here. I was amazed there were no MELs on the planes. And they would use MELs to get the planes into Mx bases and get them cleared. That is no longer the case and many of our planes have MEL'd seats and APUs. Our planes inside and out are very filthy, and our managment treats us like dirt. If I wanted this, I would have accepted the job at Mesa. But then again, I rode in a Mesa 900 and it was pretty clean.
What I am saying is Air Wisconsin is not the place it once was. Those days are long gone. We are treated this way and told if you don't like it, then leave. But where is there to go? And they know for each person who leaves, at least 10 others are dying to get that job.

Just an idea---why don't you leave? I am in the same position as you but I don't feel the need to be a complete jacka$$ about it. Cleared $50,000 this year, worked smart---not hard (one of the benefits of our contract), and I am overall pretty happy. I enjoy flying 82 hours/month and getting paid for 105. I enjoy the duty/trip rigs.

Many of our planes have MEL'd APU's? I haven't flown a plane with an MEL'd APU since mid-summer. As of this posting there are ZERO planes in our fleet with an APU on MEL. And there are four seats out of 70 planes on MEL. You know how that works... most of the time the seats are MEL'd because someone spilled something on it and nobody knows what it is.

Overall there are a lot worse places to be. You could be a Mesa FO, that a year ago was a CA lineholder and now facing furlough. You could be a fourth year FO at another regional making $30/hr vs your $40+/hr you make here. You could have no opportunity to make money because you are furloughed.

Bottom line---YOU are a Jacka$$. Get out if it is so miserable and give the opportunity to someone who wants to work here. And yeah, I'd say this to your face.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

Bottom line---YOU are a Jacka$$. Get out if it is so miserable and give the opportunity to someone who wants to work here. And yeah, I'd say this to your face.

I've got no dog in this fight. I used to work at AWAC and had the usual gripes like everyone else. That being said, the whole "leave if you hate it" advice is unrealistic. We all know that companies change and the company that you thought you had signed up for originally may not be the one you are working for today (not meant literally but in terms of QOL and management style). I am living that scenario right now.

It is so hard to just up and leave a flying job. With the seniority based system we have in this industry the notion of starting over at another carrier is often impractical. Even with a four year degree, it would be hard for many of us, especially in this economy, to find a non-flying job making Regional Captain wages or Major FO wages. It is true in my case. So the option of just up and quitting is not always a real option.

On the other hand, bitching about your plight isn't a great option either. Complaining about being a FOUR year FO at a regional? Try being an FO at Eagle... More than a few FO's have been in the right seat for almost nine years. God forbid it takes longer than 3 years to upgrade. Having been furloughed in the not so distant past, I know how bad it sucks being out of work in this economy. Being a four year FO with little advancement is a hell of a lot better than being a former four year FO with no job at all.

Stepping off my soapbox now. Merry Christmas everyone. Fly safe.

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

First of all, I do not think Captain Chris has the b*lls to tell me this to my face. This is why he posted it on a message board. Second, my big frustrations are over the filthy cockpits and constant breaking down of the airplanes.
I could not make it to work this past Saturday due to the snow storm and instead of them understanding as to why (PHL was running delays in excess of 6 hours) I was threatened with disciplinary action. Luckily, I got a hold of the PHL FO REP and he was able to smooth things out with scheduling. Our REPs do a great job trying to make this a better place to work, but it is an uphill battle.
As for leaving, trust me, I am as soon as I have the oppurtunity to bolt. AWAC is not the place it was when I started back in 2005. As long as we have certain people in certain places, It will never be.
Capt Chris, instead of posting this on a board, why don't you say it to my face? As for you not flying planes with broken APUs and tons of MELs, you're lucky, I guess.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

Drill Sgt. Dad,
Why go on a public board and b_tch? Who cares? All airlines have their problems Air Willy is my third airline. I was at my first one and was there almost three years and was not even close to upgrading. My second airline, on my fifth year anniversary, I was an FO on RSV. And now at Air Willy, next month will be four years and I am still 65-70 numbers from the most junior CA. So, the fact you are here just a little over four years and no sign of upgrade? I have no sympathy for you. Nor do I want or care to get yours or anyone else's sympathy about my dilema. This is the way it is.
Drill Sgt. I agree with your prior post that we are own own worst enemies, because we are. But b-tching about no movement is like the baseball manager arguing with an umpire over his batter being called out on strikes. It won't get you anywhere and won't change anything. It is what it is. We are in very hard economic times and the last industry to ever recover and show positive signs is this industry. This is the way it is.
As for me being your REP, I will continue to help you, but I am also going to ask you show a bit more professionalism. If CaptainChris77 calls you a jackass to your face, what will you do about it? Deck him? If you do, I won't be able to assist you, you'd have to call my cousin who is a criminal defense attorney. But he is expensive. Then afterwards, you would have your wish by no longer being at Air Wisconsin.
We are working on many issues. You say we do not communicate? We do. You have questions? Why don't you call me? What happened this past weekend was unfortunate, but we are trying to get these issues resolved. But going on a public message board and crying about it will get you nowhere.
If you need to vent or are having personal problems or family issues at home, you can call me and I will assist you in going through the proper channels. Or if you are just coming on here to stir trouble, then I would suggest you grow up.
I have friends and associates at other carriers and and listening to thier stories, I agree Air Wisconsin has its troubles and is no utopia, but it is far better than what others have it.
I have flown a few airplanes with no APU, if you feel it is unsafe to the the temperatures, did you speak up? As for the deferred seats? Does it bother you? You already are sitting in a seat with the best view, as far as I am concerend. As for the cosmetics of the planes, they are being cleaned up, but you can't do 70 planes overnight, they are slowly getting there. As for maintenance issues? Sh-t happens. Everytime you power and APU or and Airplane up, it is wear and tear. There is nothing you can do about that. And for the schedules, why do you gripe? You live in domicle and do not have to worry about commuting.
I hate to say this to you on a public board, but if you go on one to vent, be prepared for others to answer you.
May you need to release some stress and anger? Call me, and I can give you many suggestions.
Everyone have a Happy and Safe Holiday!

 

[n757st]

Your happyness at awac is directly proportional to the seniority in your seat/base. I am a very senior fo and I have completly commutable schedules and weekends off. When I go back to captain this spring my quality of life will degrade significantly. Is awac evil? No... And despite what people say, they DO treat you better then some regionals. that said, I will also be leaving when the majors hire, because I simply don't see a future here. Those who will come here as a new hire... Expect a long time on reserve and if you commute do not expect to be home much. As for the company... Become a random face in the crowd for your first year and stay off the message boards. If you work within the lines and have a good attitude you will maybe even enjoy it here, if you don't then you will hate it here.

 

[nethan]

Back to the original topic...

I flew with an FA who was furloughed from CMR last year who had a class date at AWAC scheduled for late January or early February. So I guess they really are hiring beyond the furloughed guys.

 

[AgreenFO]

sweet, I'm glad we got my ? back in order. Did they recently hear a call from them? I have had my stuff in for a month and still no reply. I figure I won't til after the holidays. Good luck to everyone with the call... late

 

[n757st]

Back to the original topic...

I flew with an FA who was furloughed from CMR last year who had a class date at AWAC scheduled for late January or early February. So I guess they really are hiring beyond the furloughed guys.

We are always hiring flight attendants. I am un-aware of any pilots being interviewed yet.

 

[no1pilot2000]

If you're currently a regional pilot, be it a captain or first officer, and haven't been furloughed, be grateful that you have a job. You applied to the regional airline of your choice. You don't want to quit your flying job in this economy. If you decide to quit your flying job with the regionals, the unamployment checks won't last forever. Matter of fact, I don't think the gov't issues unemployment checks to people who quite their jobs. Hang in there and make the best of your given situation.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

No new hiring will be done until the remaining pilots on furlough are offered recall. We currently have 22 pilots on furlough. A recall class of eight starts Jan 11th. Then another bid will be out sometime in January for additional recalls.