Anyone ever seen this site? Pilots For Truth

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There is no real conspiracy, it was the terrorists that did it.

The "s" at the end of "terrorists", portends conspiracy.

 

[414Flyer]

Still waiting RJP for your version of what happened. Shouldnt be too hard, since you think the official story is so ludicrous.

 

[wt219200]

I'm with 414Flyer on this one. Lets let RJ and his/her infinite wisdom explain what really happened.

 

[jetflyer]

Connect the dots people......

Take the red pill........

7 months before 9/11 Matthew Simmons, the Chairman for the Association for the Study of Peak Oil, spoke to Cheney for the TOP SECRET energy policy meetings. During these meetings it has been proven that Cheney was looking at the oil fields of the middle east with the oil companies. Why were the meetings secret? They realized the world was about to experience the energy crunch of all energy crunches. The meetings had to be kept secret at all costs. Our national security was at stake. All the nations of the world know about the coming energy crunch and what the U.S. is doing. Do you?

I actually support what is going on now because I think it's too late for alternatives. We should have gone the alternative route 5-10 years ago. Now we must go to war and we must win.

From the New York Times:

. "The Death Watch for Cheap Oil"
By PAUL B. BROWN
Published: October 14, 2006

THOSE falling prices at the gasoline pump may only be temporary. Indeed, they could signal the start of an era in which, forecasters say, “the death of cheap, abundant crude might unleash war and plunge the world into a second Great Depression.”

“Peak oil is a reality,” says Willem Kadijk, a hedge fund adviser quoted by Bloomberg Markets magazine. He is just one of many who believe that global oil production is now at or near its peak, and the only place to go is down.

“Once the flow crests and starts to decline, and some geologists say it already has, oil will no longer be able to slake the world’s growing thirst for energy,” Deepak Gopinath writes in summarizing the argument. “The result will be the oil shock to end all oil shocks.”
The price of a barrel of crude oil, which closed yesterday at $58.68, “will spiral to $200 — and keep rising,” he writes.

Representative Roscoe G. Bartlett, a Maryland Republican, has formed the Congressional Peak Oil Caucus to draw attention to the issue. “The world has never faced a problem like this,” he told the magazine.

The nation’s oil companies dispute the assertions. An Exxon Mobil spokesman says the company’s geologists expect global oil production to keep rising for at least the next two decades.

ON SECOND THOUGHT If you think ethanol is a simple answer to solving our gasoline needs, think again, argues Consumer Reports in this month’s cover article, “The Ethanol Myth.”

“Despite the avid support of the Bush administration and major American car companies,” E85 — a commonly used blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline — “is unlikely to fill more than a small percentage of U.S. energy needs,” the magazine says.

Reasons for the pessimism are that ethanol costs more, is hard to find outside the Midwest — only about 800 gas stations out of 176,000 nationwide sell E85 — and provides fewer miles to the gallon. The magazine tested ethanol on a Chevrolet Tahoe and found that the fuel economy dropped “27 percent when running on E85 compared with gasoline, from an already low 14 m.p.g.”

At the time of the test, the average retail price of E85 was $2.91 a gallon, which meant the 27 percent fuel-economy penalty would have caused drivers to pay “$3.99 for the energy equivalent of a gallon of gasoline.”

Jet

 

[414Flyer]

I'm with 414Flyer on this one. Lets let RJ and his/her infinite wisdom explain what really happened.

Yeah so far all we hear is just crickets chirping.

 

[jetflyer]

If he tells you what he thinks he'll be a conspiracy theorist in your mind. You'll then be able to simply dismiss him because to be thought of as a "conspiracy theorist" is seen these days as the equivalent of being a "wack-job nutty loon".

To question government is seen as unpatriotic. Is it really?

I think RJ is honorable by sticking with facts only and not speculating. He has not once speculated on things he can not provide evidence for. I admire that.

There are a lot of unanswered questions, that if those in power have their way will go unanswered forever.

Maybe they should go unanswered?

I almost think for the health of our nation the truth should never be known by the masses because the truth is way too damaging.

Like in the Matrix, you can choose to take the blue pill and live in the fantasy land or you can take the red pill and enter the rabbit's hole.

Honestly I wish I'd have taken the blue pill, but wow if you take the red pill the rabbit's hole can be so interesting and astonishing!

The message I always try to get across is, whether the U.S. govt. helped pull off 9/11, whether it was simply allowed to happen by diverting fighter aircraft away from the east coast into the several war games going on that day, or if the U.S. was completely caught off guard, I believe 9/11 is being used as an excuse for all of our involvement in the middle east to control the oil. The world is about to experience a global oil crisis. Here is a 911/Peak Oil documentary with some of my views:
GOOGLE VIDEO

Jet

 

[jetflyer]

Another must see google video:
Denial Stops Here: From 9/11 to Peak Oil and Beyond

 

[414Flyer]

Do you have to try to insert Peak Oil into everything? I think "Peak Oil" is a physical (matter of geology and physics) but lets keep this about 9/11. There are other oil production threads that can be used again for peak oil arguments.

But saying "Oh you just believe everything the government tells you" and similar type arguments are used with every single conspiracy out there and are rather tiresome. They should find another reply.

There is a very specific reason I am wanting to know what his opinion is what happened. We want to know his 9/11 explaination.

 

[jetflyer]

9/11 and peak oil should be always said in the same sentence. 9/11 is being used to help the USA deal with peak oil. That is conspiracy fact my friend.

 

[414Flyer]

9/11 and peak oil should be always said in the same sentence. 9/11 is being used to help the USA deal with peak oil. That is conspiracy fact my friend.

No, that makes no sense, and is not what I am asking about anyways. Maybe you think peak oil and 9/11 are related. Fine, you can have that conspiracy. I am asking what RJPilot thinks happened on 9/11. Was it united and american flights hijacked by Muslims, or did it involve planted bombs, or cruise missiles, holograms, USAF bombing Pentagon, etc etc. I am wanting his specific explanation of what transpired that day, I am sure he knows since he is so sure what what is taken as fact was not true.

 

[wt219200]

I almost think for the health of our nation the truth should never be known by the masses because the truth is way too damaging.

Like in the Matrix, you can choose to take the blue pill and live in the fantasy land or you can take the red pill and enter the rabbit's hole.

Honestly I wish I'd have taken the blue pill, but wow if you take the red pill the rabbit's hole can be so interesting and astonishing!


Jet

Wow that is funny. So you took some pills and thought this up. That explains everything.

Still no response from RJ.

 

[jetflyer]

lol i should lay off the pills huh!?

 

[jetflyer]

I think everyone interested in what happened on 9/11 should watch these two movies:

Loose Change has a SECOND edition out with the evidence laid out nicely. They talk about what happened to all of the people if the planes didn't actually go down in Pennsylvania or hit the Pentagon. This is always a large unknown but they have some good evidence.
You must see this:
LOOSE CHANGE SECOND EDITION on Google


Alex Jones has a good new movie about the history of state sponspored FALSE FLAG operations(terrorist attacks vs your own nation posing as another nation to blame the enemy). Did you know that it has been proven from unclassified U.S. govt. documents that the Gulf of Tonkin incident that started the Vietnam War was made up to start the Vietnam war?
They then confront the events of the 7/7 England bombings and the 9/11 attacks

Some of the best evidence of thermite being used to weaken the steal on the world trade centers is presented in this movie. In great zoomed footage you can see what looks like molten lava pouring out of the world trade center at the floors near the impact just before the collapses! They also talk a lot about World Trade Center Building 7 a lot. Why does it look like that building was brought down in a controlled demolition??
You must see this:
TERRORSTORM on Google

I don't know if any of what these guys are saying is true. I'm not saying any of it is. There are just defitinitely unanswered questions. Is there anything wrong with questioning your government? Or maybe there is.....

If anyone is going to participate in a discussion on whether the events on 9/11 are what the government is telling us, then you have to see these two movies. If you are a firm believer in the U.S. Government's conspiracy theory than you have to see the other sides views. Give those two movies a look and at the very least you may be entertained.

Jet

 

[414Flyer]

No, Loose change does not lay out evidence. They lay out claims, you need to learn the difference. This video is so full of crap

Alex Jones? Oh that conspiracy peddling "paYtriot"?

Yes many of these questions have been answered, but to illinformed people, who those who completely do not want to understand it or for those who need a belief in conspiracies in order to get out of bed in the morning, they will always believe in silly conspiracies.

I don't know if any of what these guys are saying is true. I'm not saying any of it is. There are just defitinitely unanswered questions. Is there anything wrong with questioning your government? Or maybe there is.....

Find a new reply. That one is so overused. Funny how if you exercise your own thought and think these conspiracies are silly, they accuse you of being a government shill, or not questioning what the government says.
No matter what conspiracy these kooks come up with, from the rail cars that will take us all to FEMA camps, to chemtrails, to this crap, they always have this is a reply if you disagree with them.

I think its the conspiracy kooks that are the ones who are unable to deal with questions and disagreement. I am waiting for RJPilot to give us his explanation of what happened, so I can question it. Loose Change does not ever actually say what they think happened either. I wish they would so I can QUESTION IT. Oh wait, is questioning then bad them or good?

 

[jetflyer]

414,
Maybe you're right.

Jet