Anybody sick on MAY 31/JUNE 1/2

[TOOL CRIB]

Read and understand be for you post a reply.:smash:

be for?

 

[WalterSobchak]

To play Devil's Advocate for a minute...

Oooo...let's do play...

 

[Terry Hunter]

What do you hope to accomplish with a national sick out? Look around at the economy and tell me such a juvenile prank is really going to do anything but bite the hand that feeds you.

OOOoohh Ooooh, but it would be like having "SENIOR DAY" again!!! We'll show them teachers...

 

[Terry Hunter]

^ this dude is almost as funny as ATL Crashpad these days!

Yes, but HMMMMM, have we ever seen both post within the same thread????? I think you are on to something....

 

[Flyer1015]

Give me a break. Everybody will say on a webboard, "yeah we all calling in sick on May 31/June 1" "hell yeah, bring it on!"

But when it actually comes down to it, most people won't have the balls. [Too much talk, not enough walk].

 

[AsaLossPaywAlpa]

:smash:

be for?

so i left out the f******** e and space was hit so what!
DOPE

 

[Mentor]

Give me a break. Everybody will say on a webboard, "yeah we all calling in sick on May 31/June 1" "hell yeah, bring it on!"

But when it actually comes down to it, most people won't have the balls. [Too much talk, not enough walk].

Well Flyer I agree with you. People say they are gonna do something but then back down. I am seeing industry wide that things are getting bad and people just want to reply to me about upper management not sending paychecks out on time and passenger issues with canceled flights. I will not be non-reving on those days but plan on driving 4 hours to see family on those sick days with hopes that many of you will also join in with the attempt to see if we can have an effect. I am hoping that with the previous thread that pilots aren't the only thing that keeps this operation going that we can get gate agents, fuelers and all the cohesion that keeps our operations going to band together and see what can happen. I have heard from some friends today that managements in a few different regionals are offering unpaid leaves of absence and possible furloughs...with all the previous threads about management who are they looking out for now...NOT US!! They will be at the operation till your #1/2 pilot is gone. We are always so quick to think of why things won't work before actually getting in.

Come on now, don't be egotistical. It's not just the pilots who hold the keys, but a collective group of employees within your airline. So until you have taken reservations, checked in passengers, offloaded, sorted, delivered and reloaded bags, tag carry-ons, replenished the lav juices and potable H20, dump a lav, stocked the galley, cleaned off gum from seats, vacuumed the cabin, wiped down the lav, supply an airstart, pushed the a/c off the gate, routinely doing C-checks, taking phone calls from crews with mx issues, producing a flight release, taking your sick calls, trying to find coverage for sick calls, manage a GDP out of a hub, undoing crew/ac swaps, work on avionics, fix an apu/ ac pack and change out a tire, take a 5 hr roadtrip to an outstation for a simple birdstrike inspection, rebooking pissed of passengers whose flight got cancelled, locate and deliver missed bags for pissed off customers, walk up and down the aisle delivering drinks/snacks and telling passengers constantly to turn off their electronics, seatbacks/ trays in upright positions, also, train new hires, pay the bills, the bills and more bills, manage an employee group, maintain a computer network system, keep mx records, route a/c into mx bases, prepare/send and recieve cargo, on and on, etc, etc, then you can come to me, The Almighty Captain Kool-Aid and say, "I am the precious egotistical yurtle the turtle pilot who holds the keys for management's successes, me and only me." because I'm the king of the pond. But, until then, I will try to have an extra large ice cold glass of Kool-Aid waiting for you by that front porch swing. So see'ya there, cuz I know you're getting thirsty and hungry.

So to the Kool-Aid guy that got his rocks off by telling me that it takes a whole slew of people in the operation to make things work:the bottom line is that WE MAKE THE BIRDS FLY and YOU CAN'T NEGATE THAT FACT

 

[TheInsider]

Well Flyer I agree with you. People say they are gonna do something but then back down. I am seeing industry wide that things are getting bad and people just want to reply to me about upper management not sending paychecks out on time and passenger issues with canceled flights. I will not be non-reving on those days but plan on driving 4 hours to see family on those sick days with hopes that many of you will also join in with the attempt to see if we can have an effect. I am hoping that with the previous thread that pilots aren't the only thing that keeps this operation going that we can get gate agents, fuelers and all the cohesion that keeps our operations going to band together and see what can happen. I have heard from some friends today that managements in a few different regionals are offering unpaid leaves of absence and possible furloughs...with all the previous threads about management who are they looking out for now...NOT US!! They will be at the operation till your #1/2 pilot is gone. We are always so quick to think of why things won't work before actually getting in.





So to the Kool-Aid guy that got his rocks off by telling me that it takes a whole slew of people in the operation to make things work:the bottom line is that WE MAKE THE BIRDS FLY and YOU CAN'T NEGATE THAT FACT

Who do you think you are, dude? Like you will cripple the whole airline industry all by yourself? If you are so unhappy then either quit or go tell'em how you feel. You may fly them birds but to think you are the most important worker at your airline?

Looking forward to your reply.

 

[johnpeace]

I don't understand the motivation.

My airline is a success, that's good for my job and ultimately for my career.

I want to make a contribution toward more sustained success.

The thread is about doing exactly the opposite, sabotaging the company's success.

I don't get it.

 

[Mentor]

Who do you think you are, dude? Like you will cripple the whole airline industry all by yourself? If you are so unhappy then either quit or go tell'em how you feel. You may fly them birds but to think you are the most important worker at your airline?

Looking forward to your reply.

Seriously...why even respond to the thread if you don't want to see WHAT CAN HAPPEN...are you happy with your pay and schedule...then dont reply to the thread. IF you think it can be better...then I would like your support. I expect a whole bunch of you to write how stupid you think this is, but we ultimately will never find out without support from the QUALIFIED PILOTS that we are. I know if we do all call out the CEO's, Mechanics, Gate Agents, Gum Removers, Pushback Crew, etc...won't be there to take that flight out. Once again, a failed attempt to try to get fellow pilots to see what COULD HAPPEN. We will all be lucky to have jobs in a few months anyway...Gas expected to be at $4.00 a gallon by mid June.

Thanks again to all that think it would be great to see what COULD HAPPEN.

 

[Traumahawk]

The replies in this thread go to show why pilots make 1/3 of what they did in the 1980's. We are truly gutless. And we make up the unions, and the unions are gutless.

Everyone other than pilots and mechanics in this business is a glorified water boy. No offense, but without pilots and mechanics, NOTHING moves.

They have one day strikes in Europe all the time, just to demonstrate how much the public is screwed when the transit workers don't show up. The public respects them for it.

And judging by how many folks were walking across the brooklyn bridge in the freezing cold when the transit workers struck illegally there, there is NO DOUBT a national sickout would send a message that our pensions, benefits, pay, and quality of life will no longer fund 1970's ticket prices and immoral management practices.

MY GOD WHEN WILL THIS INDUSTRY GROW SOME BALLS AGAIN!!!!??

 

[TheInsider]

Seriously...why even respond to the thread if you don't want to see WHAT CAN HAPPEN...are you happy with your pay and schedule...then dont reply to the thread. IF you think it can be better...then I would like your support. I expect a whole bunch of you to write how stupid you think this is, but we ultimately will never find out without support from the QUALIFIED PILOTS that we are. I know if we do all call out the CEO's, Mechanics, Gate Agents, Gum Removers, Pushback Crew, etc...won't be there to take that flight out. Once again, a failed attempt to try to get fellow pilots to see what COULD HAPPEN. We will all be lucky to have jobs in a few months anyway...Gas expected to be at $4.00 a gallon by mid June.

Thanks again to all that think it would be great to see what COULD HAPPEN.

While I don't disagree that pilots these days don't get the pay, benefits and treatment they deserve I strongly believe that there are other ways to get the point across. Staging a sick-out and/or other similar actions will do nothing but pi$$ off those in charge. Airline management will definitely react negatively to childish acts of operational interruptions.

 

[Mentor]

The replies in this thread go to show why pilots make 1/3 of what they did in the 1980's. We are truly gutless. And we make up the unions, and the unions are gutless.

Everyone other than pilots and mechanics in this business is a glorified water boy. No offense, but without pilots and mechanics, NOTHING moves.

They have one day strikes in Europe all the time, just to demonstrate how much the public is screwed when the transit workers don't show up. The public respects them for it.

And judging by how many folks were walking across the brooklyn bridge in the freezing cold when the transit workers struck illegally there, there is NO DOUBT a national sickout would send a message that our pensions, benefits, pay, and quality of life will no longer fund 1970's ticket prices and immoral management practices.

MY GOD WHEN WILL THIS INDUSTRY GROW SOME BALLS AGAIN!!!!??

FOR ALL OF YOU THAT DON'T LIKE THIS THREAD I HOPE YOU READ THIS GUY'S MESSAGE TO ALL OF US!! I COULDN'T HAVE RELAYED A BETTER MESSAGE MYSELF.

 

[Mentor]

While I don't disagree that pilots these days don't get the pay, benefits and treatment they deserve I strongly believe that there are other ways to get the point across. Staging a sick-out and/or other similar actions will do nothing but pi$$ off those in charge. Airline management will definitely react negatively to childish acts of operational interruptions.

INSIDER,

What at this point can management do to all of us when we are all going to lose our jobs in a year anyway from rising gas prices, mergers that eliminate the little guys that support the majors and age 65 that stagnated the industry. INSIDER if you are comfortable where you are then you are probably in the majors or just don't care that our profession has been belittled to nothing here in the US or your regional is not in HARMS WAY at the moment but would love to know which one that might be. I have never come on here to claim I AM ALL KNOWING OR I AM THE HEART OF THE AIRLINE OPERATION...but WHO will take that stand...and if you really think that management CARES ABOUT US...you haven't been furloughed or just gave up.
Going forward, I would gladly lose my job in a last ditch effort to make something happen in this industry. I don't like how you can get a flight now for less than you can pay a cab to take you to the airport...something just doesn't seem right about that. ONCE AGAIN, I WILL SEE PEOPLE REPLY TO THIS THAT HAVE THEIR NEGATIVE OPINIONS ON THIS, but at what point do you say I DON'T CARE WHAT MANAGEMENT THINKS...ALPA IS ASKING FOR MORE MONEY NOW TOO...DO WE BEND OVER FOR THAT NOW TOO WHEN THEY ARE SPENDING 10'S OF THOUSANDS ON STEAK DINNERS AND ALCOHOL TO TRY TO KEEP USAIR AT ALPA...Looks like everyone at the TOP of their respective company's and associations are doing pretty well.

http://www.pearlgroup.org/whereyouralpaduesgo.html

 

[Mentor]

Anybody want to join in with all the bad news around the industry...

 

[se1776]

Just don't start crying when you make it to the unemployment line.

 

[Mentor]

Just don't start crying when you make it to the unemployment line.

Well, unlike yourself...I have been looking for a backup plan if things take a dive in the next few months. I have a background in Medical Sales that I can fall back on...hopefully YOU didn't just go to ATP or Gulfstream and pay for all those ratings. I like most have a college degree to fall back on...so unemployment paychecks are what I might get for a while, but an unemployment line I will not be standing in my friend. Airline pay is a joke and a travesty, and the schedules are a mockery of the credentials and testing we tried so hard to attain...once again...where is your pride and everyone that doubts this effort????

 

[se1776]

Did someone forced you into aviation?
Did you do the homework before you decided to be a pilot?
Just look at all of us"we are always complaining about everything" Nobody is going to please a PILOT EVER.
Thats the way we all are.
You change careers today i'll bet you tomorrow you will be complaining.
we're all living the consequences of our choices man.

 

[Max Q]

se1776: What are you talking about? QOL and pay were unbeatable when Mentor took the job. And unlike you, Mentor is on the ball because he is "looking for a backup plan".
</immensesarcasm>
-Brett

 

[CRJ puppy]

Please remember this:

Throwing a tantrum, stomping your feet, holding your breath. These tactics don't work for a two-year old.

They certainly won't work for professional, airline pilots.

Please understand that they way a system is changed is from working WITHIN the system. Working from outside the system in, just simply doesn't, can't and won't work.

Just ask ol' GW how that little war in Iraq worked out for him...but I change the subject and digress......

:bomb:

 

[ReverseSensing]

I propose a National Year of Just Doing Your Own Damned Job, i.e., safely transporting your passengers and freight to their destination in compliance with the Code of Federal Regulations.

You want to send a message? The best message we could send, and it would be 100% legal, would be to strictly put the safety of our pax/freight first in all our considerations, and strictly comply with the regs.

It's been said a thousand times: we are our own worst enemy because we can't help ourselves in trying to grease the skids of whatever operation we work for.

We're not having much success making more, but we still keep trying hard.

 

[Mentor]

Did someone forced you into aviation?
Did you do the homework before you decided to be a pilot?
Just look at all of us"we are always complaining about everything" Nobody is going to please a PILOT EVER.
Thats the way we all are.
You change careers today i'll bet you tomorrow you will be complaining.
we're all living the consequences of our choices man.

No you smart a** SOB I was defending my nation in the MILITARY as a pilot and it just made sense to transition to the civilian side of the house. Now I see why everyone told me not to do it because the close-knit community like it is in the MILITARY just doesn't translate to the AIRLINES...people like you are the reason we roll over on low wages, and the rest that think we are gonna piss off management and they are gonna close the doors on us...OH WELL...guess they will be searching for a new job then too.

 

[PA44Jockey]

Hopefully we will see every Mesa/Freedom pilot on this board on the 31st/1st. What have they got to lose? I would say they could use the day to send out resumes, but for their sake lets hope they already started.

 

[TheInsider]

No you smart a** SOB I was defending my nation in the MILITARY as a pilot and it just made sense to transition to the civilian side of the house. Now I see why everyone told me not to do it because the close-knit community like it is in the MILITARY just doesn't translate to the AIRLINES...people like you are the reason we roll over on low wages, and the rest that think we are gonna piss off management and they are gonna close the doors on us...OH WELL...guess they will be searching for a new job then too.

You are a very angry person! I believe that your hatred towards your superiors (airline management) borders paranoia or some other mental disorder. It may be a good idea to call in sick in order to protect the passengers.

 

[ozpilot]

...people like you are the reason we roll over on low wages, .

Not so - we are the reason. Which is why I applaud your action.

or some other mental disorder. .

You just don't get it do you? While you are sitting safely behind your desk Mentor is out on the line delivering your customers safely where they want to go.

When I started at Comair I made $11,00 a year. My CEO made $5 mill a year. To put in in perspective when he came to work at 9am on Jan 1, by lunch time on the same day he had made my yearly salary! By any standards, thats just not right.

Mentors message is simple - its better to die on your feet than live on your knees ..

 

[TheInsider]

Not so - we are the reason. Which is why I applaud your action.



You just don't get it do you? While you are sitting safely behind your desk Mentor is out on the line delivering your customers safely where they want to go.

When I started at Comair I made $11,00 a year. My CEO made $5 mill a year. To put in in perspective when he came to work at 9am on Jan 1, by lunch time on the same day he had made my yearly salary! By any standards, thats just not right.

Mentors message is simple - its better to die on your feet than live on your knees ..

I don't disagree that the wages are too low. I disagree that calling in sick to try to get your will is inefficient and plain childish. You mention that he is delivering my customers safely? That's my whole point: They are not "my" customers but his too. Take ownership and don't cut of the flow of revenue by calling in sick. On the other hand, I seriously believe that Mentor is so angry that his judgment is clouded. He should consider talking to someone about it.

 

[Mentor]

Take ownership and don't cut of the flow of revenue by calling in sick. .

OWNERSHIP OF WHAT??? The only thing your gonna own in a few weeks is your rollerboard and flight case. Go back to the previous thread about the NYC transit system and tell me that it can't work. Insulting me by saying that I am mentally unstable is a weak way of saying I don't have anything else intelligent to say. Once again, if you don't agree of my plight...no need to reply. If something positive comes out from a National Sickout on the 31st...then you can apologize to me on the 3rd...a great man once said,
"you cant test a hypothesis without an experiment." -Ben Franklin

 

[Mentor]

TOKYO, May 14 (Reuters) - Japan Airlines Corp (JAL) (9205.T: Quote, Profile, Research), Asia's biggest airline by revenue, said on Wednesday it planned a 5 percent cut in salaries and benefits for most of its employees to lower annual personnel costs by 10 billion yen ($96.4 million).
JAL, which has been overhauling its cost structure to tackle soaring fuel prices and other pressure on its earnings, is in talks with labour unions and aims to implement the cut from October, spokesman Atsushi Abe said.
The airline implemented an across-the-board 10 percent pay cut for two years from 2006/07 as it sought to get back to profitability.
Backed by brisk demand on its international routes, JAL returned to a net profit in the year that ended in March after two years in the red, but it has forecast a 23 percent fall in its 2008/09 net profit. (Reporting by Sachi Izumi;

I wonder how much that CEO took for a cut? Looks like its starting to hurt globally and taking it out on the pilot groups is where management finds it easy to place blame and penalize for MANAGEMENTS MISTAKES....Give me 60 days everyone(somebody big is gonna fold). Gas at these prices will make operations seize overnight. Tick tock...

 

[TheInsider]

OWNERSHIP OF WHAT??? The only thing your gonna own in a few weeks is your rollerboard and flight case. Go back to the previous thread about the NYC transit system and tell me that it can't work. Insulting me by saying that I am mentally unstable is a weak way of saying I don't have anything else intelligent to say. Once again, if you don't agree of my plight...no need to reply. If something positive comes out from a National Sickout on the 31st...then you can apologize to me on the 3rd...a great man once said,
"you cant test a hypothesis without an experiment." -Ben Franklin

Ownership of generating profit. Airline doesn't make money = you don't make money. Why take with your other innocent airline employees as you intend to teach'em (management) a lesson and show how powerful you are. I still think a national sick-out day is immature and childish and I bet that any responsible pilot and union official feels the same way.

Btw, if you can't handle a response to your ideas aired on a public forum.....

 

[se1776]

mentor
All I can say is
Welcome to the civilian side.
Great choice
Good luck with plan C man.