Anybody in the ATL area hiring?

[mxflyer]

I heard GA Pacific was looking for 2 pilots and that Ted Turners flight Deptartment was looking for a copilot. From what ive heard both companies are great to work for and pay pretty good.
Any thoughts/ideas on either one and how and who to contact?

 

[tG114]

Info

Georgia-Pacific Corp.
Tele: 404-691-4805
Fax: 404-691-7171
John Ransom, Dir. Aviation & Chief Pilot
[email protected]


Unfortunately, I do not have the information on Ted Turner's aircraft.

Best to you.

P.S. Also try Flight Works at http://www.flightworks.com

 

[gear_guy]

Don't forget about Home Depot

 

[overqualified]

i don't even know why people talk about these jobs. no chief pilot will give anyone of them a chance. the only way to get these jobs is to have 5,000 TT 3,000 turbine PIC; you get the picture. then on top of this you have to give the chief pilot a b*** job to raise the gear. good luck getting a chance at a job with these companies unless you go wash the pilots truck, clean his house, give him a bath and tuck him in. its all about who you know whether you have 1 hour or 10,000 hours

 

[sydeseet]

Seriously dude, just come right out and say it. Don't beat around the bush Don't play games. Just say what you mean. Honesty is healthy they say.

As far as giving the chief pilot a "BJ." I can pesonally attest to having taken it in the shorts a time or two over the years for lesser things so if I can get that sort of thing out of the way during the interview I don't see the problem. At least then it's over with.

Confucious (sp?) says: Qualifications mean nothing if you aren't the kind of person they want to work next to.

 

[johnny taliban]

The Ted

Does anyone know what type of aircraft Ted Turner owns???

 

[overqualified]

hey mxflyer

where did you get your information about the buffalo express. i called turner enterprises in atlanta and they said their flight department was full. would not give me the time of day. i asked for the address to send the cheif pilot a resume and they said resumes were not being accepted because they had their seats filled. may be you know something they don't but the people i talked to told me basically to piss off

 

[mxflyer]

Turner is lookin for a dipatcher...4043862643 is the # is was givin

 

[overqualified]

is it a dispatcher or copilot. big difference in job duties. on fly's while the other sits at a desk. gee! wonder which one all these guys would want. number said it was not in service. probably gave you that number to get you off the phone

 

[mxflyer]

just called the # i gave out and not only does it work but its the right # to the right person. their looking for both copilot and dispatcher. i have an interview tomorrow. Chief pilot was a real nice guy...unlike most! they operate a CL604 and a DA10

 

[overqualified]

make sure you take your knee pads and some ky. i'll give him a call myself. where are they doing the interview. probably downtown is my guess. what kind of times are they looking for. most the days want a minimum of 2000tt and around 500 turbine pic. sounds a little steep for a copilot. seems like it would be better to hire someone with less experience that they could train to their standards. you know as well as i do that these cocky chief pilots all do it different

 

[mxflyer]

Interview is at the Aircraft on Monday before their trip he said. He told me they do not have a set minimum time, he would like to hire a young person and train them in the Falcon and later move them to the Challenger. The guy seemed real nice and answered ever question I had. Their starting pay regardless of time is a minimum of $100,00.00......they dont require a contract and will send you to school immediatly at their cost. They average 400 hrs/yr on the Falcon and 550 on the Challenger. The Challenger guys r gone alot but, as he put it, what comes around goes around....meaning if they keep u on the road for 4 weeks then u can expect 4 weeks of no contact chillin like a villian away from the airport. I spoke to one of their pilots after talking to the CP and that pilot confirmed everything..Sounds likes Teds group has their ---- together.

 

[overqualified]

well i wish you the best of luck maybe you can give us all some hope in our lives. this industry is hard to break into. maybe they will let you go around the pattern to test your flying skills. but they may just want to join the mile high club. LOL let us know how it goes and let us know how the interview is structured. may still need the ky to help the pilots get their heads in the plane

 

[Fokkerflyer]

Hey "overqualified"-

What's your beef dude? Had some bad work experiences? Little bitter are we?

Sounds like you've had to bend over quite a bit to get your 9 hours huh...?

Lighten up, maybe it's time for a career change.

 

[400A]

Amen Fokker

I think it is obvious why overqualified cant find work. It is his attitude. I personaly know many of the guys hired at HD, GP, CCE and others. None of them did anything other than have outstanding corporate reputations and have great attitudes.

I jusy hired a new SIC yesterday. I did not know him one bit, but he had a great attitude, showed up to the interview in a new suit, passed 3 interviews with all of my team members, but most importantly had a glowing report from his chief pilot of 5 years.

I often have guys show up in jeans, and expect to get the pay for the biggest aircraft even though they are the new guy. They never make it to the second interview.

No favors recieved, he just fit with the team.

 

[fxbat]

Mx outstanding
Keep it up.

 

[overqualified]

hey fokkerflyer you must have been around the Jet A to long. obviously you don't remember or never had to go through the tough times to get a job. my thing is everyone needs that big break and they are really hard to find. every job posted wants 2000+hours and 500+turbine. well how the hell do you get that to even be able to apply. i don't have the money to go rent sim time. maybe you should step away from those high octane fumes and deflate your ego. then you might see what the less experienced are dealing with in this day and time

and hey MXFLYER. congrats to you and let us know how it goes. your big pimpin if you get that job but always remember your roots and don't act like the f**ker I mean fokker

 

[English]

every job posted wants 2000+hours and 500+turbine. well how the hell do you get that to even be able to apply.

Your point that "every job posted" requires certain minimums is correct. However, the once-in-a-lifetime opportunities for those with lower qualifications using is discovered by word of mouth. Those guys with a good attitude have their buddies watching out for them, looking (and making) opportunities for them to get experience and make some money. Those guys with a bad attitude, they get the shrug-off when asked if there are any opportunities out there.

I help my buddies all the time get work. When I was flying charter and part 91 stuff, I'd also give the SIC opportunities to those fellow pilots I knew would be fun to fly with (meaning, they didn't complain all the time).

Overqualified, you should decide which kind of pilot you are going to be.

 

[mobie]

Over Qual?

Take a look at some of the reply post to you and think if any one of those would give you a chance.

Look at 400's when he mentioned team, that is what it is all about, you are on the road many long days, at the same hotel and eating dinner with your crew. Also you are with some very important owners that pay you to fly and be an ambassador of the corp. 24 hrs. a day.

There is much more than having a type or being able to get one, go out and learn more about flying and much more about life.

Mobie

 

[400A]

Still not listening

Over qualified, you are still not listening. As the others have said, its all about attitude. If you want to burn kerosene, you are going to have to stop the attacks. You never know who is looking at the board.

Most chief pilots can hire whom ever they want, but we have to start somewhere with an ad. I have many times waived a minimum to get the right guy for the team. Though he did not fly with rookie co-pilots in the beginning, I once upgraded a guy to Beechjet PIC with only 1850 TT. He was just that good. Most natural pilot I had ever seen, with an attitude that beat all others. The posted minimum for the position was 2500TT for SIC. 5 years later this pilot is my senior Captain and the best employee I have.

Stop lashing out and blaming your difficulties on Fokker and others. We are trying to help you.

To give an example, as I said, I just hired an SIC. While I was interviewing, one of the local up and coming pilots grabbed my dispatcher, gave her his resume and told her that he would like to interview with me immediately. (He was in Jeans and a T-Shirt). I looked over his resume, knew who it was and had her politely tell him that he did not meet our minimums. (I also knew he was running a, what was rumored to be, a 134.5 operation) This idiot actually told her to tell me "HIS LOSS!"

Rest assured, all the cheif pilots at our base have been fully briefed on this guy.

Just an example.

Food for thought.

ATTITUDE!!!!! BE PROFESSIONAL!!!

 

[void]

MXflyer,

Do you know anything about the dispatcher position other than that #?

 

[overqualified]

hey guys. sorry if i stepped on your toes. i personally know who mxflyer is and was just trying to get a reaction out of him. i didn't think so many people would come to his defense. it's good to see that the corporate world is there for each other. that's what i hope to do some day. my attitude about flying is nothing as it has appeared because i was being sarcastic towards mxflyer. he is a really good friend of mine and had no idea i was on this board giving him crap. i know that a good attitude and hard work are the best ways to accomplish anything. the only reason i responded to the other guys was to get a response out of mxflyer. as you can see he stayed calm cool and collected. he just that type of guy and an awesome friend, one that i would love to work with. sorry if i affended you guys but it was all a joke. have a good holiday and don't send a hitman out for overqualified

 

[Fokkerflyer]

hey fokkerflyer you must have been around the Jet A to long. obviously you don't remember or never had to go through the tough times to get a job. my thing is everyone needs that big break and they are really hard to find. every job posted wants 2000+hours and 500+turbine. well how the hell do you get that to even be able to apply. i don't have the money to go rent sim time. maybe you should step away from those high octane fumes and deflate your ego. then you might see what the less experienced are dealing with in this day and time

and hey MXFLYER. congrats to you and let us know how it goes. your big pimpin if you get that job but always remember your roots and don't act like the f**ker I mean fokker

Hey overqualified-

FYI- I have been at the bottom of aviation. Try 2000 hrs of instructing at $6/hr, pumping gas for years, sit right seat on t-props for nothing just to get exposure. My first corporate job I got hired because the CP saw me bust my a$$ juggling two jobs and thought I had the right attitude and motivation to work for him. Was on call 24/7 for charter (salary was negligible, no benefits) but loved every minute of it. Then I had a corporate job that kept me away from home 6 days a week.

And that, my friend, got me to my current job working for a Fortune 10 company.

Punks like you have no idea what "paying your dues" means.

Well, nuff said.

 

[overqualified]

fokker don't take it serious. read the post above yours and you can understand hopefully how i was being sarcastic. i was just kidding with you when i posted that because i know how much dedication it takes to accomplish goals. was nothing personal

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey overqualified-

FYI- I have been at the bottom of aviation. Try 2000 hrs of instructing at $6/hr, pumping gas for years, sit right seat on t-props for nothing just to get exposure. My first corporate job I got hired because the CP saw me bust my a$$ juggling two jobs and thought I had the right attitude and motivation to work for him. Was on call 24/7 for charter (salary was negligible, no benefits)

You've got to be kidding me.

Sounds to me like you let everyone know that you were willing to work for nothing, and nothing is what you got.

There are Flight Departments, and there are Battered Pilot Shelters. The key is to learn the difference early on, aim for the former, and be persistent.

I turned down many jobs, becasue I made it very clear in the beginning that I was looking for a quality flight department, and wouldn't settle for less. That worked better than all the "I'll fly free, just to get experience" crap, that's for sure.