Any word on TEB crash

[Vavso]

I heard rumor that there was a mechanical problem with the elevator/yoke can anyone confirm this ?Vavso

 

[FN FAL]

Any word on TEB crash?

In a similar case, local police charged the pilots with breaking and entering.

Here's what the state patrol did this weekend when a pilot exceded runway dimensional limitations...

Pilot OK after crash on Kelleys

By KRISTINA SMITH
Staff writer

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KELLEYS ISLAND -- An inexperienced pilot was cited for careless operation of an aircraft Saturday after the plane he was flying flipped over at the Kelleys Island Municipal Airport, a state trooper said.

Jason Todd Lasalle, 24, 2130 Euclid Ave., Cleveland, was not injured and was flying by himself when he landed a single-engine 1980 Cessna 152 at 3 p.m. on the island, said Trooper Eric Wlodarsky of the Ohio State Highway Patrol, Sandusky post.

The aircraft, owned by Daviation Inc. of Willoughby, was on the runway for about 100 feet and moving at 51 miles per hour when it veered to the left, Lasalle told troopers. It went off the south side of the runway onto snow-covered ground and flipped over, according to a report from the patrol.

Wlodarsky said Lasalle's flying inexperienced caused the accident. Lasalle flew from Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland to the island Saturday to practice his takeoffs and landings, Wlodarsky said.

Lasalle had logged 44 hours of flying since November 2003. The minimum for flying solo is 20, Wlodarsky said.

"I don't think that 44 hours is a lot of time flying, especially over a year-and-a-half period," Wlodarsky said.

The runway was clear of snow and ice, and weather conditions were likely not a factor in the accident, Wlodarsky said.

There was heavy damage to the plane's propeller, wing tips, rudder and top, according to the report. Wlodarsky did not have a cost estimate for the damage.

The patrol notified the Federal Aviation Administration about the crash, but it is unclear whether the FAA will investigate further.

 

[minitour]

The minimum for flying solo is 20, Wlodarsky said.

Maybe I'm just tired and not thinking right, but...

huh???

 

[FN FAL]

Maybe I'm just tired and not thinking right, but...

huh???

I think he meant to say "20 beers", "10 Highballs" or "2 doobies".

Mini...I'm guessing he meant 20 hours.

 

[Brett Hull]

Meanwhile, people are still cooking meth, driving drunk, holding up liquor stores, etc.... But thank god we have deputy Dewey on the scene writing a ticket to the poor kid who wrecks an airplane. Hey, officer, it looks like he has a cut on his head. Would you like some salt to throw in the wound?

When you read stories like this (and this),is it any wonder why people just don't have respect for the police anymore?

 

[FN FAL]

Meanwhile, people are still cooking meth, driving drunk, holding up liquor stores, etc.... But thank god we have deputy Dewey on the scene writing a ticket to the poor kid who wrecks an airplane. Hey, officer, it looks like he has a cut on his head. Would you like some salt to throw in the wound?

When you read stories like this (and this),is it any wonder why people just don't have respect for the police anymore?

You talkin bout when cops collide? In STL? Your link came up to a registration page, here's more on the accident...looks like the bad cop was drunk with a .188 BAC.

This linky might work...

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...nt&Headline=Wrong-way+driver+was+drunk&tetl=1

The Missouri Highway Patrol said Officer Stephen Bastean's blood alcohol content was 0.188 percent - more than twice the legal threshold for being drunk, 0.08 percent - when his SUV hit a patrol car driven by Officer Scott M. Armstrong nine days ago.

"Clearly he made a poor decision, and as a consequence, we lost two officers," said Cpl. Al Nothum of the Highway Patrol.

The head-on crash happened shortly before 3 a.m. Jan. 12 on Highway 370 in Bridgeton, just west of Interstate 270.

Bastean, 26, had been scheduled to report to work about four hours after the crash. Dr. Mary Case, the St. Louis County medical examiner, said that given Bastean's condition, he still would have been legally drunk if he had shown up for duty at 7 a.m.

 

[dalegribble]

Meanwhile, people are still cooking meth, driving drunk, holding up liquor stores, etc.... But thank god we have deputy Dewey on the scene writing a ticket to the poor kid who wrecks an airplane. Hey, officer, it looks like he has a cut on his head. Would you like some salt to throw in the wound?

When you read stories like this (and this),is it any wonder why people just don't have respect for the police anymore?

Bad Cop, No Donut!!!!! I am sure this cop is an aviation expert too. Andy and Barney should let the Feds deal with things they know nothing about.

 

[Brett Hull]

Thanks FN. That's what I was getting at.

 

[minitour]

I think he meant to say "20 beers", "10 Highballs" or "2 doobies".

Mini...I'm guessing he meant 20 hours.

Well yeah, I figured that one, but...what is he talking about 20 hours to solo?

I don't remember a reg saying "to operate as the sole occupant of an aircraft, the pilot must, between November 2003 and February 2005 log 20 hours of flight time"

...but it could be the tired thing...

Help me out here someone...

-mini

 

[Rick1128]

I wish someone would make that point with Customs. They get OJT and word of mouth aviation training and then they go out to make America safe from all the pilots out there.

 

[slowto250]

No minimum hours required to solo. Just a CFI's signoff and crossed fingers.

 

[airspeed]

How could the police ever cite this guy, last time I checked troopers were not able to give out summons for federal violations regarding aviation. I guess this guy is an ntsb investigator too. I would hope this gets thrown out of court.

 

[EagleRJ]

How could the police ever cite this guy, last time I checked troopers were not able to give out summons for federal violations regarding aviation. I guess this guy is an ntsb investigator too. I would hope this gets thrown out of court.

They can't.

This citation isn't worth anything. The cops should know that they can't cite people for infractions- real or imagined- that occur outside their jurisdictions.

I wonder if the cop cited the guy for speeding too? In most states, when a specific speed limit isn't posted on a public road, 35 MPH is assumed. The pilot was going 51 MPH.

 

[mattpilot]

I love it how this cop assumes the role of an investigator .. lol - to funny.

 

[dalegribble]

Actually, in most states, only State Police Officers have jurisdiction over issuing citations involving aircraft. Basically, I am not a lawyer, but if there is a state statute defining aircraft operation a state agency may issue a citation for "violating" said statutes. A total crock of $hit if you ask me.

 

[Vector4fun]

You talkin bout when cops collide? In STL? Your link came up to a registration page, here's more on the accident...looks like the bad cop was drunk with a .188 BAC.

Similar case here. Retired cop goes on weekend charity ride with Police Commander wife. Winds up at a bar with other cops. Sometime during the festivities, motorcycle is ridden into bar and floor is burned from spinning tires. Afterwards, both are found dead after accident, and autopsies reveal both were knee-walkin' drunk. Special investigator named.

Bad news all around...

http://www.news8austin.com/content/your_news/?SecID=278&ArID=127180

 

[minitour]

No minimum hours required to solo. Just a CFI's signoff and crossed fingers.

Okay, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something.

So where does the "Lasalle had logged 44 hours of flying since November 2003. The minimum for flying solo is 20, Wlodarsky said." come from?

Another case of everyone knowing everything about aviation?

-mini

 

[FN FAL]

Actually, in most states, only State Police Officers have jurisdiction over issuing citations involving aircraft. Basically, I am not a lawyer, but if there is a state statute defining aircraft operation a state agency may issue a citation for "violating" said statutes. A total crock of $hit if you ask me.

I think you hit the nail pretty close to right on the head...Ohio must have a state law or statute. So the officer was able to cite the pilot. Local officers get their authority from the state, so they would have been able to cite under a state statute as well. I know, I just got a seat belt citation and it's under the state statute 347.48(2m)

However, the officer only had a case when the pilot opened up his big fat yap and told the cop what he thought he did wrong.

You do not have to issue any statement at the scene of the crash, no matter how much the officer wants you to. He will tell you something to the effect "that your memory is best right after the crash"...or "yadda yadda yadda, why don't you just answer me a few questions so I get my paperwork started."

You have the right to an attorney, you have a right to have an attorney present during questioning, you have a right to remain silent. You also have a right to NOT be a witness against yourself.

The officer most likely has a right to see your identification, the aircraft registration and other documentation. He also has a right to ask you to take a test for breath or drug tests. I don't have a problem with any or all of those things.

But his so called accident report can wait a day or thirteen...them forms don't evaporate. It's not like they are running out of paper or video tape over at the cop shop either.

Don't issue any statements to a police officer at the scene of an aircraft accident or incident until you have gotten legal counsel. Period. This police officer is not certified airplane accident investigator. He probably doesn't know the difference between a VOR and a chandelle.

But you can say what you want...I'm not licensed to give legal advice and there's your disclaimer.