Any truth to Mesaba merging into NWA?

[KaptainKarl]

Amen.

hrmm.... looks like you need to get back to work, friend. Its not the weekend yet.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

You guys win the argument. However, you guys may not have a choice in the matter. I expect this will be one of the last efforts to save scope at NWA.

 

[DetoXJ]

How many paycuts are you going to take to save scope? 15% followed by 25% equals a total paycut of almost 40%. I'm sure my paycut is coming soon as well but you wont see our pilot group voting it in by almost 70%.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

How many paycuts are you going to take to save scope? 15% followed by 25% equals a total paycut of almost 40%. I'm sure my paycut is coming soon as well but you wont see our pilot group voting it in by almost 70%.

I think it's safe to say a 40% paycut proposal here would fail bigger than Walter Mondale. Granted I haven't been here long but I can't justify staying with a pay cut. And I know numerous F/O's that feel the same way. So they take 20% from my pay... that's $2200, ok, then I quit and the $22000+ spent training me is down the drain, great investment.... I realize I don't have much time vested in this job so it's easier to walk than the guys that were upgrading and are now back as F/O's. Sorry, I have to call shennanigans on this whole mess. Nothing adds up, the Avro's are all gone....yet NWA still is selling tickets to ASE???? Most Saabs are going???? We are going to just continue to operate 2 CRJ's???? Yet the displacement only calls for 109 on the street (+ the 23 already gone) Man, I'd give up this career to get to smoke the shiznit these clowns are passing around.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

How many paycuts are you going to take to save scope? 15% followed by 25% equals a total paycut of almost 40%. I'm sure my paycut is coming soon as well but you wont see our pilot group voting it in by almost 70%.

I know some pilots at NWA who are willing to take a 100% paycut to save scope.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I know some pilots at NWA who are willing to take a 100% paycut to save scope.

Sounds like some "regional pilots" I have come across

 

[KaptainKarl]

I called Wings Financial. They said they will not take payments in the form of scope from anyone. Not even NWA pilots. Enjoy the winter paying the heat bill with your scope.

 

[xjhawk]

a few questions.........
why cannot we all get along?
Why are you letting NWA management divide us?
Why is ALPA not as strong as .....lets say the electircal union? the teamsters?
Why does every NWA pilot i see who flys a narrow body think they are being sold out? does that mean NWA has already split their npilot group?
will i be at a regional my entire career? (yes)
why the heck am i here......oh yes, livin the dream....or was it night mare! wake me up someone!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Some people who currently work for XJ/PNCL think they are getting 76 seat CRJs. In fact, I bet if you go to any Cheif Pilot at XJ/PNCL they will tell you it's a done deal. Thats what Northwest management tells them. Could NWA exec's be lying to XJ/PNCL? You guys think you are sitting pretty right now. Oh look NWA is breaking scope we get new toys to play with. All I see is NWA pilots trying to secure flying at NewCo; I don't see any XJ/PNCL people trying to secure that 76 seat flying. Yeah you will pay in the short term, but hey at least it's better than having MESA take over. Then you guys are SOL.

 

[A19]

Some people who currently work for XJ/PNCL think they are getting 76 seat CRJs. In fact, I bet if you go to any Cheif Pilot at XJ/PNCL they will tell you it's a done deal. Thats what Northwest management tells them. Could NWA exec's be lying to XJ/PNCL? You guys think you are sitting pretty right now. Oh look NWA is breaking scope we get new toys to play with. All I see is NWA pilots trying to secure flying at NewCo; I don't see any XJ/PNCL people trying to secure that 76 seat flying. Yeah you will pay in the short term, but hey at least it's better than having MESA take over. Then you guys are SOL.

Keep your 70 seater, keep everything you want! I never want to work for NWA, or anything affiliated with NWA, if you guys were the only one's hiring I'd rather fly a C152, then anything you guys have. To go through this cycle every 5 years or so with an inept mngmt, and the BS games they play with your lives and even the lives of the people at XJ/9E, is beyond my comprehension. I'm sorry, you guys (NWA) are a classy act in the flight deck, it's just a shame the way NWA Mngmt. treats you and anybody that makes NWA what it is today. Let them continue these games and see what kind of airline they end up with. When people who depend on their livlihood, are fed up with them, how is general public going to feel about them? I know, I know they won't care as long as they get the cheapest ticket but damm it sucks!

Just venting but I really can't stand it anymore!

 

[flap operator]

YourPIlotFriend - get off your high mainline horse. Those of us at Mesaba are not salivating at the possibility of 70 seaters. We're salivating at the posibility our company stays in tact, we have enough money to pay our bills and we all have respectable jobs when this BS comes to an end.

Do you have ANY clue what's going on at XJ? Mgmt is not selling us on the idea that they're a done deal. They're telling us what your MGMT wants to do and that they intend on competing for that business. That's why we are looking at concessions. I know it must be hard to take a pay cut when you're making 100K or even 80K as an FO... but how do you as someone making 24K or even 35K to do so? It's a joke.

So if you think those at XJ are enjoying this never ending game of $hit on Mesaba (again) go f.uck yourself. I'm sick of reading the BS that you mainline pilots are spewing as if WE are the cause of your problems. GET OVER IT!

It was my dream to be an NWA pilot since I was a kid. I've seen what your mgmt does to you folks and how they've infected Mesaba and Pinnacle. There's no way I have any desire to work at your company. I don't have the SMJS that you assume we all have at the Airlinks.

SMJS = shiny mainline jet syndrome

FO

 

[NuGuy]

If you're a NWA pilot on furlough, about to be furloughed, or are at the bottom of the list, you have no business flowing back to XJ. 3 years ago, we weren't good enough to talk to about a flow thru; but now that you're losing your job due to inept management, suddenly a Saab Cpt position is yours to bid? That's funny.

TP,

Better check your facts there. Call your MEC Chairman and ask him what really happened to the flowthrough.

Fact: The NWA MEC secured an agreement in the 1998 contract that required NWA management to negotiate a flow through for XJ and Express (as they were then)

Fact: A flow through agreement was almost complete, except for one thing...NWA management wanted to be able to screen who flowed up. So you number comes up, and oops, sorry, NWA says you have BO, so you're not allowed to flow up. No appeal, no 2nd chance, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

They absolutely would not budge off of this. So the whole thing tanked. Why were they so wrapped up on this? Who knows, after all, XJ and PCL guys fly NWA passengers every day, right?

In the end, it came down to a bad agreement or no agreement. Which one would you pick?

Nu

 

[Positive Rate]

a few questions.........
why cannot we all get along?
Why are you letting NWA management divide us?
Why is ALPA not as strong as .....lets say the electircal union? the teamsters?
Why does every NWA pilot i see who flys a narrow body think they are being sold out? does that mean NWA has already split their npilot group?
will i be at a regional my entire career? (yes)
why the heck am i here......oh yes, livin the dream....or was it night mare! wake me up someone!

Ego........?

 

[Positive Rate]

Isnt '06-'08 the highest retirement years? So if thats the case is it enough for most or all of the guys to get off the street....and the Flow through thing help the guys get on mainline who would never have gotten there anyway?(do to the current state of affair).....dont quote me on that...

 

[saabservant]

unity...

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Isnt '06-'08 the highest retirement years? So if thats the case is it enough for most or all of the guys to get off the street....and the Flow through thing help the guys get on mainline who would never have gotten there anyway?(do to the current state of affair).....dont quote me on that...

Exactly, it won't be more than a year before everybody is back working. I don't think the mesaba pilots realize what a benfit it would be. This unity thing is about keeping scope so that we have more power and control as pilots. If I were a XJ/PNCL pilot I would rather take a temporary downgrade or furlough, than lose it completely to another company.(MESA or some other Hojet airline)

 

[Positive Rate]

Exactly, it won't be more than a year before everybody is back working. I don't think the mesaba pilots realize what a benfit it would be. This unity thing is about keeping scope so that we have more power and control as pilots. If I were a XJ/PNCL pilot I would rather take a temporary downgrade or furlough, than lose it completely to another company.(MESA or some other Hojet airline)

I was tryin to be subtle, but i m for it......it's gonna suck for eveyone on the top of XJ's list (mess with some serious egos, and the guys close to retirements, within 5-6 years etc, the guys at the bottem)....but when all said and done.....i wont have to worry about another interview........
Give the mainline guys a job for a while.....yes the guys on the bottom of XJ will be out of work for a while(including myself)....but what about payin dues?...oh sure i ve paid my dues, woe is me.......Life sucks cuz the grass is greener over there...look how green it is..everyone is out to get me..sorry i dont know where that came from


I am open to be educated if i have the wrong ideas about it.....but everyone has there own way of doin biz.

 

[saabservant]

That's not all

Actually, we need to go beyond scope, to a one-list. I know, it is expensive and will require huge amounts of leverage and sacrifice, but to keep the current whipsaw/outsource situation? No. A flow-through/flow-back won't work, either. Unfair and expensive, and it perpetuates the d-scale. This third-class career we are living to subsidize mainline has to stop, at all airlines.
If you are looking to us to be a help, and not the destination of your jobs, you need to focus beyond your own pay, pensions, and progression.
It is sad to see furloughs, cuts, and loss of retirement at mainline, but I will shed no tears, for lack of leadership at alpa, which can't see beyond it's current every-mec-for-itself strategy. That goes for my own mec, too.
We have bright people running alpa at all three groups, but they require a different vision. It is not coming from woerth, so how about us? Time to start calling reps, attending meetings, etc.
No, I'm not a whiner, but an active alpa volunteer.

The alternative? more scope relief, 1000 furloughs, new jets at airlinks, and NO LEVERAGE at ANY nwa carrier for the next contract. Sad, but that seems to be the future...

 

[screwed_again]

I know some pilots at NWA who are willing to take a 100% paycut to save scope.

Name one.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Name one.

Contrary to what you may think, there are some pilots trying to save this profession for the younger generation. I could name them, but I don't think they want to be the subject of ridicule on an internet forum.