Any truth to Mesaba merging into NWA?

[screwed_again]

Hope you guys at XJ like the race to the bottom, hopefully when you get there you still have a job making enough to stay off food stamps.

Yeah, you're my friend. Are you enjoying the race to the top?

You sound like some of these guys who were happy about getting the Avro back in 1997, enjoyed the growth with a quick upgrade and accrued enough hours to get the interview with NWA. Now that you're furloughed, you loath the RJs claiming they are screwing mainline jobs.

I guess one's perspective can change overnight. Did you think the flow-thru was a good idea when you were at XJ or is it a good idea now that it helps you now?

 

[avrodriver]

So your saying that once you cbecome a NWA pilot you can't go here and there your stuck at NWA for life. Nothing says you can't go over to SWA, FedEx, UPS, JetBlue, etc. If anything it would give you more options

I know it's been awhile for you, but PIC time in a Saab still gets you in the door to FedEx faster than sh.it ton of SIC in a DC9. I guarantee everyone looking to leave XJ is not looking at NW as some type of "way out" or "lifeboat". One's better off keeping what they got at XJ and using that to get them the h.ell out of the enitre family.

 

[Fly4hire]

The only way they can have newco is if they get out of scope. The only way to save scope is unifing the seniority list so that all NWA flying is by NWA pilots. Newco will happen and if there isn't a scope clause, there will not be NWA pilots flying for them. If you guys up at NWA don't get control of this right now, you can forget about having a job in the future.

Not sure where you are getting your information, but you are off on a couple of counts. The NWA pilots have a Scope clause already, we OWN per legally binding contract, all 55 seat and above flying (except for the grandfathered ARJ's). The ONLY way NWA can implement NEWCO is we either agree to a contractual modification or it is imposed via the 1113c process. One of the big reasons we approved the extension was to have more time to work out Scope issues, specifically keeping that flying on the NWA property.

Even if we did not, it would stil be staffed with NWA pilots in seniority, with permanent recall flow up/down to NEWCO. If you are inferring that XJ/PCL must be intergrated into NEWCO you are incorrect.

We will have plenty of our own pilots to staff it and XJ/PCL have NO claim to this flying. The NWA MEC has proposed flow through for both NEWCO and the in-house version, NSTAR.

 

[captpetefam]

Amen Brotha

You speak like NWA is the holy grail for a XJ pilot. "All but a few people at XJ are there to move on to something bigger and better, ..." Yep, like SWA, FedEx, UPS, JetBlue, etc. We are perfectly happy building time here and going THERE. Keep your legacy carrier and your inept, inbred mgmt.

When I was kid, I thought NWA was the stuff; that's where I wanted to work. Now, after working for XJ and seeing what NWA Mgmt, Agents, FA, Pilots, THE WHOLE SYSTEM... I'll be darned if I'd ever want to work there. It sucks!

I've been talking with a friend about going to his company and fly corporate. He told me the pay was great, QOL was ok, gone about half the month, etc. etc. I told him that the one thing I really wanted to hear from him that would make this really appealing is if he could tell me his Company APPRECIATES what he does and RESPECTS his position.

Ya know, I'd even consider taking a small pay cut for a limited amount of time until the company is back-in-black if I felt our Mgmt really appreciated us and respected us. To them and NWA Mgmt, we are just an unwanted expense. Screw 'em. My dignity is worth more than this.

Cya,

CP

 

[Fly4hire]

If you're a NWA pilot on furlough, about to be furloughed, or are at the bottom of the list, you have no business flowing back to XJ. 3 years ago, we weren't good enough to talk to about a flow thru; but now that you're losing your job due to inept management, suddenly a Saab Cpt position is yours to bid? That's funny.

Mesa is hiring if you want out of that horrible QOL as an engineer making $45k a year. ~ Spoiled brat.

IF the seniority lists were ever intergrated, it would have to be a 2-way street, both flow up and back. If not it will never be approved. Got to take the bad with the good.Given the fact that we have so many on furlough, and a 2-way deal would disadvantage XJ pilots I doubt you guys would have any interest at the moment.While an eventual goal, I think a list integration is only obtainable when both entities are in a growth mode.

 

[KaptainKarl]

Reread my post. I would never work for NWA.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Reread my post. I would never work for NWA.

You fly the flight that makes NWA money, you work for mesaba that works for NWA. By default you work for NWA. If you work for NWA nothing prevents you from going anywhere you would like too. The reason to integrate the list is to say that any pilot flying an airplane making money for northwest is a northwest pilot. If you think Mesaba can compete against any other regional flying right now for those 76 seat airplanes your mistaken.

 

[KaptainKarl]

Funny. Why haven't we integrated the lists yet? Were u onboard with that idea when MSA ALPA proposed it? Thought not. You had nothing to gain then. Interesting how when you are the ones looking down the barrel.... You are right. We are no Mesa. If they come and bid, then we will deal with that. But I think it best to fight one fight at a time. Let's not fight NWA furloughees from back flowing when we are fighting Mesa from undercutting us.You, friend, were so happy when u left us at XJ. Well, now u can deal with the problems your NEW job has. Personally, I hope XJ tells NWA to suck a big fat one and we find other grass.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Funny. Why haven't we integrated the lists yet? Were u onboard with that idea when MSA ALPA proposed it? Thought not. You had nothing to gain then. Interesting how when you are the ones looking down the barrel.... You are right. We are no Mesa. If they come and bid, then we will deal with that. But I think it best to fight one fight at a time. Let's not fight NWA furloughees from back flowing when we are fighting Mesa from undercutting us.You, friend, were so happy when u left us at XJ. Well, now u can deal with the problems your NEW job has. Personally, I hope XJ tells NWA to suck a big fat one and we find other grass.

We haven't integrated the list because you guys aren't recieving aircraft that is our flying. If you set foot in a 76 seat CRJ you are actively taking my job. I'm ok with this as long as you are a NWA pilot; I'm not ok with this if you are not. This is to stop outsourcing and keep NWA/XJ/PNCL pilots employed. If we have one list it doesn't matter if Air Venezela is operating the aircraft a NWA pilot is flying it.

 

[Dufus1]

Hey Cpt Pete,
I hear you are taking the saab "downgrade". So much for dignity, eh?

 

[KaptainKarl]

Friend:So u proved my point. You are only supportive of the integration when it suits u. You say we were not flying planes that are YOUR flying. Seems to me your CEO decides what is, and is not, YOURS(Champion). So, by your admission, not until we threaten YOUR flying do you want to let us measley XJ/PCL pilots on YOUR list, but you want the right to come and take OUR 34/50/69 seat flying anytime someone up there mentions the word furlough? Seems pretty one-sided to me. I say go **** yourself and YOUR flow-through.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Right and then you can have our 76/85/100/200/300/500 seat flying. This is about saving scope, that saab bit was a joke. The market has changed and no longer supports the saab or the Avro or the 50 seat CRJ's. If you want, why don;t you take the a320, 757, 747, a330, and so forth. If you get any airplane on your property that are beyond our scope clause you are taking our flying just as I said we wanted to take yours.

 

[KaptainKarl]

What a douchebag.

For those of you who would think this is a "friend" of XJ/PCL:

I think the key for us here at NWA is a unified seniority list to make sure anybody flying an airplane with the Northwest paint scheme is a NWA pilot. Even if it means...hrmm....throwing those PNCL and MES to the bottom of the list.

What a PilotFriend.

 

[KaptainKarl]

Oh, how generous. If we just agree to let u come backflow to XJ and furlough us, someday maybe, possibly, you just might let us sit in the right seat of one of your big planes. Nevermind that during subsequent negotiations you will sell out the junior guys as they are just those ....hrmm PCL/MES. No, we will not go to the mat for those guys. Lets get all we can for the senior guys as we are the ones who made NWA what it is. Nope. No dice. Keep your "big iron".
Hey- if you're an engineer now, shouldn't you be working right now, not playing on the internet?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I'd much rather see the 70-90 seat flying go to mainline.... if 9e or xj get the flying or some other carrier... the downward trend will continue further.

Then again.. nwa is about to be paid the lowest in the industry on nearly every fleet type. Certainly not the carrier I wanted to work for when i was a kid....

 

[captpetefam]

Aaahhhhhh!

Hey Cpt Pete,
I hear you are taking the saab "downgrade". So much for dignity, eh?

I've been caught! Hey, I've maintained all along that it was not me who said that but a friend's brother's girlfriend's uncle who said that.

Yes, I am taking the Slob-o-matic. No, I will not be placing the "Silly Pilot, Jets are for hot-tubs" sticker on my bag. I may be downgrading... er... flying the Slob, but at least I'm not heading back to the Dark Side!

PS - I thought I'd be clever and take the Nov 21 class so that I could FINALLY get Turkey Day off. I just go the schedule today; we're training 0800-1700 the whole week. Drat! If it wasn't for you darn kids...

Cya,

CP

 

[tripacer]

The market has changed and no longer supports the saab or the Avro or the 50 seat CRJ's. .

What do you know about support? You wont even support your own mechanics who have more backbone, then your own pilot group. I think these previous posts are right on the money; where was all this support for a seniority integration with XJ/PCL 2 years ago? And where do you get the idea it's YOUR flying? It's a publicly traded company and you are JUST an employee.

But if you wanna stop all this nonsense, get on the phone to your MEC and ALPA national and tell them, "Enough is Enough. You have the power to stop all these company games, but youre too worried about yourself to see the future and how it effect all of the NWA family.

If you do get on at XJ, you deserve nothing more then a Saab FO seat, at the BOTTOM of the XJ list.

 

[KaptainKarl]

.........

 

[Mysteryofflight]

If you do get on at XJ, you deserve nothing more then a Saab FO seat, at the BOTTOM of the XJ list.

Yea then maybe he could get furloughed with the rest of us BOTTOM of the list Saab FO's. While we're at it maybe we could pay for our training contracts too.. ugh.

 

[airmasn]

Right and then you can have our 76/85/100/200/300/500 seat flying. This is about saving scope, that saab bit was a joke. The market has changed and no longer supports the saab or the Avro or the 50 seat CRJ's. If you want, why don;t you take the a320, 757, 747, a330, and so forth. If you get any airplane on your property that are beyond our scope clause you are taking our flying just as I said we wanted to take yours.

No market for the Saab? I guess NWA should start taking an Airbus into Monroe, LA or Greenville, MS, etc. then? You're an idiot...your pilot group is just pissed off because they didn't realize the importance of scope back in the 90's and now you want to blame the regional pilots for a race to the bottom... instead you guys went on strike for higher pay, when times were good...look what the hell that got you.

We all wanted the dream job of flying at a legacy carrier, now a lot of us won't because the mainline guys and ALPA didn't take action when they could have. Now go crawl back up your husband's ass and shut the hell up.