Any news for CAL furloughees?

[skywdriver]

just curious if anyone has heard anything. hope the boxes reveal a job well done by the crew in DEN!!!

 

[Twotter Driver]

And how are furloughees and the DEN accident related??

 

[kassel737]

Hey twitter, maybe he just added after the furloughee question a little support hoping the crew did a good job. You must have come from express. Did you?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

So what do his comments have to do with coming from express? That would just mean he had less scabs, good training, a stand up pilot group, and better work rules.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

So what do his comments have to do with coming from express? That would just mean he had less scabs, good training, a stand up pilot group, and better work rules.

And......
Better pay & health benefits,& no backpack or spikey hair!:laugh:

 

[CapnVegetto]

On the topic of the post, I have been hearing that there are 2 possibilities:

1. All furloughees recalled in January, hiring will begin again late spring.

2. All furloughees will be back and retrained by May, hiring will begin again in August or September.

CAL will have to hire soon, they are getting new airframes this year.

 

[skywdriver]

On the topic of the post, I have been hearing that there are 2 possibilities:

1. All furloughees recalled in January, hiring will begin again late spring.

2. All furloughees will be back and retrained by May, hiring will begin again in August or September.

CAL will have to hire soon, they are getting new airframes this year.

either of those options would be great, i am cautiously optimistic, however I will be surprised to be back on property that early. thanks for the info however! if you hear anything more, pm me. have a nice Christmas!

 

[skywdriver]

And how are furloughees and the DEN accident related??

They aren't directly related at all, however I thought it to be a bit arrogant to be worried about when I will be back on property and not express my concerns regarding the crew on that flight. I can only imagine every decision they made will be questioned, so I hope they made good ones and can come out of this accident as the professionals they most certainly are and not scapegoats.

On a sidenote, I would hope you would have a bit more sympathy for a fellow furloughed pilot. Instead of questioning the intention of my post perhaps "I don't have any information about possible recalls but I am sorry you guys got furloughed and hope to have you back on property really soon" would have been more appropriate. Attitudes like yours make me sick. I am sure you will be the first in line to pick up open time on the FO side should it be available. Regardless of whether you have been furloughed at some point in your career you could obviously care less about the 147 on the street. You should be ashamed of yourself. That attitude brings our pilot group down.

 

[Duce1147]

They aren't directly related at all, however I thought it to be a bit arrogant to be worried about when I will be back on property and not express my concerns regarding the crew on that flight. I can only imagine every decision they made will be questioned, so I hope they made good ones and can come out of this accident as the professionals they most certainly are and not scapegoats.

On a sidenote, I would hope you would have a bit more sympathy for a fellow furloughed pilot. Instead of questioning the intention of my post perhaps "I don't have any information about possible recalls but I am sorry you guys got furloughed and hope to have you back on property really soon" would have been more appropriate. Attitudes like yours make me sick. I am sure you will be the first in line to pick up open time on the FO side should it be available. Regardless of whether you have been furloughed at some point in your career you could obviously care less about the 147 on the street. You should be ashamed of yourself. That attitude brings our pilot group down.

VERY WELL SAID Skywdriver! I am one of the 147 also and agree with you wholeheartedly. Have a nice Christmas!

duce

 

[MCDU]

Hello

 

[whatitdoing?]

Recalled? I'm wondering if they're going to furlough 10 pilots because of this hull loss in DEN.

 

[HHH]

On the topic of the post, I have been hearing that there are 2 possibilities:

1. All furloughees recalled in January, hiring will begin again late spring.

2. All furloughees will be back and retrained by May, hiring will begin again in August or September.

CAL will have to hire soon, they are getting new airframes this year.

That's great news if it's true. Where did you get this information? Also, can someone confirm that CAL is getting a net gain in aircraft in 2009.

Thanks.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I heard that most of the furloughees aren't coming back anyway. :-O

Apparently it's easier to make more money at Hone Depot than as a pilot for CAL. LOL

Plus, Home Depot gives medical benefits to new hires. LOL

 

[contrail67]

That's great news if it's true. Where did you get this information? Also, can someone confirm that CAL is getting a net gain in aircraft in 2009.

Thanks.

Go to airlinepilotcentral.com and they have the orders...not sure if they are still in effect.

 

[MK82Man]

just curious if anyone has heard anything. hope the boxes reveal a job well done by the crew in DEN!!!

Skydriver -- as a fellow furloughee, (AWA, out of seniority due to our pilot integration issues and USAPA inaction), I hope you are back very soon. Anyone with half a brain who read your post knows you were concerned for your fellow pilots period. Your second post was spot on. Don't sweat the Hangar Entertainment crowd. Merry Christmas.

 

[whatitdoing?]

I heard that most of the furloughees aren't coming back anyway. :-O

Apparently it's easier to make more money at Hone Depot than as a pilot for CAL. LOL

Plus, Home Depot gives medical benefits to new hires. LOL

Why do you put LOL on everything? Are you retarded? wait...LOL.

 

[skywdriver]

Skydriver -- as a fellow furloughee, (AWA, out of seniority due to our pilot integration issues and USAPA inaction), I hope you are back very soon. Anyone with half a brain who read your post knows you were concerned for your fellow pilots period. Your second post was spot on. Don't sweat the Hangar Entertainment crowd. Merry Christmas.

MK82Man,
Thanks for the post. I wish you the best of luck as well on your return to US Air, if that is what you so desire. It kills me to see such a lack of camaradarie at times, so cheers to you. Have a wonderful holiday season!

 

[SMOE]

As of two days ago the latest I heard, third party mind you:

From the Furlough Committee: Jan system bid will give back positions to the 27 on property currently in limbo. The system bid after that will bring us back (also heard this from CA giving me a ride home from ORD two weeks ago).
Check airman tells FO buddy of mine per Larry Kellner, "Furloughees will be recalled in Sept". This jives with what's been going around the training dept and coincides with first of the 4 ex-ATA 753s coming on property.
However, consensus is a recall is imminent, even with the hull loss. The airline is pathetically undermanned and there is no way they will get through the summer on the present manning level.
Lastly, supposidly Larry also stated the retention of the over 60 crowd isn't quite what was anticipated and some of the -900ER orders are being converted to -800s. The only thing I can say with any certainty is those who are really in the know aren't saying anything.

I just hope to be recalled before the unemployment runs out. Otherwise, maybe Poco Hole can get me a job at the HONE Depot! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! :nuts:

 

[CapnVegetto]

That's great news if it's true. Where did you get this information? Also, can someone confirm that CAL is getting a net gain in aircraft in 2009.

Thanks.

I have several buddies that work there, and one in particular is keeping a close eye on things for me, as he's trying to get me an interview there next time they start hiring. So far, his speculations have been right, so I tend to believe him.

He's actually really mad that they even furloughed, because, according to him, they didn't need to at all. It was all about contract posturing.

He thinks between 1/3 to 1/2 of the current furloughees have already found other jobs and won't be back. I dunno about that, but he's betting his bottom dollar they'll be hiring again next year. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Hope you get back there soon, and I hope I'll be workin with ya some day.

 

[whymeworry?]

I heard that most of the furloughees aren't coming back anyway. :-O

Apparently it's easier to make more money at Hone Depot than as a pilot for CAL. LOL

Plus, Home Depot gives medical benefits to new hires. LOL

Really, Home Depot employees make $120K/ year in their 3rd year? Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit, I'm putting in my app, at least I'll be home every night.

God, Pokemyhole, thanks for the idea.

 

[SFR]

Yeah really.... I flew 2 hours last month in Nov and got 8K for that. Does Home Depot really pay that much for not showing up?

 

[bizicmo]

On the topic of the post, I have been hearing that there are 2 possibilities:

1. All furloughees recalled in January, hiring will begin again late spring.

2. All furloughees will be back and retrained by May, hiring will begin again in August or September.

CAL will have to hire soon, they are getting new airframes this year.

I wish this would happen. I think Cal was suppose to have a net loss of aircraft in 2009 and that was before they sent a letter out saying that some deliveries for 2009 and 2010 were going to be pushed back until 2011 and beyond.

 

[SuperFLUF]

unless there is a major change in the 2009 plan, probably no recalls

That's great news if it's true. Where did you get this information? Also, can someone confirm that CAL is getting a net gain in aircraft in 2009.

Thanks.

While I do believe its true that the furloughs were completely unecessary and done out of spite, it is not true that the current plan is for anything other than a net decrease in airframes next year. 16 less.

On the continental web page, under about continental > investor relations, you can find all sorts of public info, including the latest fleet plan.
http://www.continental.com/web/en-U...tor/docs/continental_8k_2008_121101.pdf#fleet

 

[SuperFLUF]

As of two days ago the latest I heard, third party mind you:

From the Furlough Committee: Jan system bid will give back positions to the 27 on property currently in limbo. The system bid after that will bring us back (also heard this from CA giving me a ride home from ORD two weeks ago).
Check airman tells FO buddy of mine per Larry Kellner, "Furloughees will be recalled in Sept". This jives with what's been going around the training dept and coincides with first of the 4 ex-ATA 753s coming on property.
However, consensus is a recall is imminent, even with the hull loss. The airline is pathetically undermanned and there is no way they will get through the summer on the present manning level.
Lastly, supposidly Larry also stated the retention of the over 60 crowd isn't quite what was anticipated and some of the -900ER orders are being converted to -800s. The only thing I can say with any certainty is those who are really in the know aren't saying anything. ......

That sounds more like it. The Jan bid will cover pilot staffing needs through Jan of '10, and the next bid after that (Jul, Aug?) will project out another year.

Unless there's some sort of scare that creates another wave of retirements, or the messiah performs a miracle with the economy, I sadly don't see any recalls until needed to cover the 2010 deliveries.

(Of course, there is the remote possibility that we could have a new contract next year that will include a reasonable and sane staffing formula that would cover all of the recalls and some hiring to boot. Its just a dream though.)

 

[skywdriver]

That sounds more like it. The Jan bid will cover pilot staffing needs through Jan of '10, and the next bid after that (Jul, Aug?) will project out another year.

Unless there's some sort of scare that creates another wave of retirements, or the messiah performs a miracle with the economy, I sadly don't see any recalls until needed to cover the 2010 deliveries.

(Of course, there is the remote possibility that we could have a new contract next year that will include a reasonable and sane staffing formula that would cover all of the recalls and some hiring to boot. Its just a dream though.)

Sadly, I tend to agree. I think it would be a miracle for us to be back on property in 09. Only thing might be if the demand doesn't fall off as much as people are thinking, then maybe it might be cheaper to fly some of the older airplanes that are parked with gas so low. Or another possibility might be if people start getting freaked out about the pension being underfunded and worrying about the lump sum option, leading to more retirements.

 

[BID]

I heard that most of the furloughees aren't coming back anyway. :-O

Apparently it's easier to make more money at Hone Depot than as a pilot for CAL. LOL

Plus, Home Depot gives medical benefits to new hires. LOL

Here is a fact, been at CAL for over 3 years and I am making more than you.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Its nice to see XJT getting our RJ routes back from the 737.

Looks like Express will be bailing CAL out once again just like we always do when times get tough. LOL

 

[SMOE]

Sadly, I tend to agree. I think it would be a miracle for us to be back on property in 09. Only thing might be if the demand doesn't fall off as much as people are thinking, then maybe it might be cheaper to fly some of the older airplanes that are parked with gas so low. Or another possibility might be if people start getting freaked out about the pension being underfunded and worrying about the lump sum option, leading to more retirements.

Only other long shot would be that the CAL Pilot Group actually grows a pair, starts flying per the contract, doesn't pick up any open time, and starts busting the kneecaps on the VJMers!

 

[BID]

I think Pocono has more than one user name. If not, then Pocono must be one really weird individual. It's just hard to believe anyone at Express Jet would be like her.

It's a a shame because I think individuals like Pocono with motives of igniting a stir, degrade this site.

 

[COpilot]

Its nice to see XJT getting our RJ routes back from the 737.

Looks like Express will be bailing CAL out once again just like we always do when times get tough. LOL

Hey Poco, How are you? I see you have responded to another thread where you have no knowledge. How come you never answer any of my questions that I ask in open forum?

How come you never went to United two years ago like you said you were; you had all the connections in place?

Why do all of the COEX crews that give me ride, just roll their eyes when I ask about you?

Hope you have a nice Winter, keep up the good work.