Any news for CAL furloughees?

[SFR]

Yeah really.... I flew 2 hours last month in Nov and got 8K for that. Does Home Depot really pay that much for not showing up?

 

[bizicmo]

On the topic of the post, I have been hearing that there are 2 possibilities:

1. All furloughees recalled in January, hiring will begin again late spring.

2. All furloughees will be back and retrained by May, hiring will begin again in August or September.

CAL will have to hire soon, they are getting new airframes this year.

I wish this would happen. I think Cal was suppose to have a net loss of aircraft in 2009 and that was before they sent a letter out saying that some deliveries for 2009 and 2010 were going to be pushed back until 2011 and beyond.

 

[SuperFLUF]

unless there is a major change in the 2009 plan, probably no recalls

That's great news if it's true. Where did you get this information? Also, can someone confirm that CAL is getting a net gain in aircraft in 2009.

Thanks.

While I do believe its true that the furloughs were completely unecessary and done out of spite, it is not true that the current plan is for anything other than a net decrease in airframes next year. 16 less.

On the continental web page, under about continental > investor relations, you can find all sorts of public info, including the latest fleet plan.
http://www.continental.com/web/en-U...tor/docs/continental_8k_2008_121101.pdf#fleet

 

[SuperFLUF]

As of two days ago the latest I heard, third party mind you:

From the Furlough Committee: Jan system bid will give back positions to the 27 on property currently in limbo. The system bid after that will bring us back (also heard this from CA giving me a ride home from ORD two weeks ago).
Check airman tells FO buddy of mine per Larry Kellner, "Furloughees will be recalled in Sept". This jives with what's been going around the training dept and coincides with first of the 4 ex-ATA 753s coming on property.
However, consensus is a recall is imminent, even with the hull loss. The airline is pathetically undermanned and there is no way they will get through the summer on the present manning level.
Lastly, supposidly Larry also stated the retention of the over 60 crowd isn't quite what was anticipated and some of the -900ER orders are being converted to -800s. The only thing I can say with any certainty is those who are really in the know aren't saying anything. ......

That sounds more like it. The Jan bid will cover pilot staffing needs through Jan of '10, and the next bid after that (Jul, Aug?) will project out another year.

Unless there's some sort of scare that creates another wave of retirements, or the messiah performs a miracle with the economy, I sadly don't see any recalls until needed to cover the 2010 deliveries.

(Of course, there is the remote possibility that we could have a new contract next year that will include a reasonable and sane staffing formula that would cover all of the recalls and some hiring to boot. Its just a dream though.)

 

[skywdriver]

That sounds more like it. The Jan bid will cover pilot staffing needs through Jan of '10, and the next bid after that (Jul, Aug?) will project out another year.

Unless there's some sort of scare that creates another wave of retirements, or the messiah performs a miracle with the economy, I sadly don't see any recalls until needed to cover the 2010 deliveries.

(Of course, there is the remote possibility that we could have a new contract next year that will include a reasonable and sane staffing formula that would cover all of the recalls and some hiring to boot. Its just a dream though.)

Sadly, I tend to agree. I think it would be a miracle for us to be back on property in 09. Only thing might be if the demand doesn't fall off as much as people are thinking, then maybe it might be cheaper to fly some of the older airplanes that are parked with gas so low. Or another possibility might be if people start getting freaked out about the pension being underfunded and worrying about the lump sum option, leading to more retirements.

 

[BID]

I heard that most of the furloughees aren't coming back anyway. :-O

Apparently it's easier to make more money at Hone Depot than as a pilot for CAL. LOL

Plus, Home Depot gives medical benefits to new hires. LOL

Here is a fact, been at CAL for over 3 years and I am making more than you.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Its nice to see XJT getting our RJ routes back from the 737.

Looks like Express will be bailing CAL out once again just like we always do when times get tough. LOL

 

[SMOE]

Sadly, I tend to agree. I think it would be a miracle for us to be back on property in 09. Only thing might be if the demand doesn't fall off as much as people are thinking, then maybe it might be cheaper to fly some of the older airplanes that are parked with gas so low. Or another possibility might be if people start getting freaked out about the pension being underfunded and worrying about the lump sum option, leading to more retirements.

Only other long shot would be that the CAL Pilot Group actually grows a pair, starts flying per the contract, doesn't pick up any open time, and starts busting the kneecaps on the VJMers!

 

[BID]

I think Pocono has more than one user name. If not, then Pocono must be one really weird individual. It's just hard to believe anyone at Express Jet would be like her.

It's a a shame because I think individuals like Pocono with motives of igniting a stir, degrade this site.

 

[COpilot]

Its nice to see XJT getting our RJ routes back from the 737.

Looks like Express will be bailing CAL out once again just like we always do when times get tough. LOL

Hey Poco, How are you? I see you have responded to another thread where you have no knowledge. How come you never answer any of my questions that I ask in open forum?

How come you never went to United two years ago like you said you were; you had all the connections in place?

Why do all of the COEX crews that give me ride, just roll their eyes when I ask about you?

Hope you have a nice Winter, keep up the good work.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I don't know for sure, but my buddy feels pretty much certain that the furloughees will be back before the summer simply because he thinks there is no way in hell CAL will get through their summer schedule as short as they are.

 

[T Bone]

Anyone know how many of our pilots decided not to take all of their vacation? We need to start posting names.

I have yet to hear a Captain say much of anything about the 147 or don't pick up open time. Just take a look at any given day how fast trips are picked up on both f/o and cap side. Love the excuses too, my dog had to goto the vet so I picked up this trip. F' that, seems that the scab legacy goes way beyond those with a letter at the end of their employee number.

The best thing about coex was the people, the worst thing about cal is the people. Time for this pilot group to stand up and grow a pair. Rant over.

 

[SFR]

The CAL people are great. You must be stupid. I have never flown with a better group. If people want to pick up open time, oh well. I don't because I am on reserve, and I would not if I had a line. That being said, I could care less if some pilot picks up open time. That is life! If you want fair you should choose a different job, planet, species.....

If you don't like CAL then quit. I don't care what you do. Go to DAL or something!

 

[rattler]

Really, Home Depot employees make $120K/ year in their 3rd year

Just currious what aircraft and how many hours a month does a CAL pilot have to fly to make $120K-year on the year 3 pay scale.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Exactly, I'm guessing it's another login for Poco. Don't believe anything that scab, bragging, idiot who tries only to piss off others.

 

[T Bone]

The CAL people are great. You must be stupid. I have never flown with a better group. If people want to pick up open time, oh well. I don't because I am on reserve, and I would not if I had a line. That being said, I could care less if some pilot picks up open time.

Your other airline must have really sucked if you have never flown with a better pilot group. You should care if someone is picking up Open time, especially if you are on reserve or maybe you will be the next on the street. I would like you to tell my friend who is furloughed that it is ok to pick up open time. The way we give scabs a pass at this airline is ridiculous, the way we treat are furloughs is down right offensive.

 

[list2002]

I think SFR is on reserve by choice. And will not waver from the "got mine" mentality. And you can tell by line 2 of her post that she is not one of reason.

 

[SFR]

Yes, reserve by choice. I came from ASA. Same story there, lots of complainers. I had no complaints because it was a means to an end. I left Eagle for a quick upgrade there and that is it. Fellow ASAers (most of them PFT folks) would complain as they sit on reserve as 2nd year RJ captains while my classmates at Eagle were 4th year RJ FOs on reserve.

People thought I was crazy at ASA for saying that I was happy. I was called to do informational picketing in 2005 and said no for 2 reasons. 1) I think that was useless and 2) I was happy there loggin PIC while my Eagle folks still were loggin their 10,000th hour of SIC.

 

[SMOE]

I don't know for sure, but my buddy feels pretty much certain that the furloughees will be back before the summer simply because he thinks there is no way in hell CAL will get through their summer schedule as short as they are.

Interesting point brought up on CALforums today. The company can ADD hours to the LTVRF and VRF guys as necessary. Using that option, they will be able add misery to the schedules just to cover the lines and not recall us.

 

[SMOE]

Yes, reserve by choice. I came from ASA. Same story there, lots of complainers. I had no complaints because it was a means to an end. I left Eagle for a quick upgrade there and that is it. Fellow ASAers (most of them PFT folks) would complain as they sit on reserve as 2nd year RJ captains while my classmates at Eagle were 4th year RJ FOs on reserve.

People thought I was crazy at ASA for saying that I was happy. I was called to do informational picketing in 2005 and said no for 2 reasons. 1) I think that was useless and 2) I was happy there loggin PIC while my Eagle folks still were loggin their 10,000th hour of SIC.

Translation: "F*ck you! I got mine, who's with me?"