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72Longhorn

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Does anyone here know if there is a lawyer that can dispute a class action suite for our Astar pilot group?

Seriously here!

Our ALPA MEC sold us out on our "scope claus," and I think we have a leg to stand on here. The down side here is that our ALPA union agreed on a settlement and called off the suite with DHL.

I figured if we could get a lawyer to represent ALLl the Astar pilots in a class action suit, then maybe we can get paid for what we have been put through in the last year and a half.

Anxiously waiting to hear from someone.

Thanks!

72L
 

satpak77

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what state is the suit going to be filed in
 

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Scope Claus.
Santa's evil brother. Instead of giving, he takes away.

Why did they call off a luxury hotel room with DHL?



Seriously though, it seems your bargaining agent agreed to a settlement. End of story. If it'll make you feel better, you can call USAPA and they'll tell you a work group doesn't have to live by what they agree to.
 
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72Longhorn

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satpak,

I don't know what state. I'm in Texas, but I guess a class action suite can be filed in any state. I'm not sure.

Hamburger,

The way I see it...The ALPA MEC decided on settling the suite with DHL without the pilot's vote. We did not decide, the union did!

I guess THEY settled, not US (the pilot group).

With that said, I'm guessing we (the pilot group) can sue based on the breach of contract.

Talking to ALPA about this is useless cause it will fall on deaf ears. We are on our own now.

72L
 

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The way I see it...The ALPA MEC decided on settling the suite with DHL without the pilot's vote. We did not decide, the union did!
You did vote.
You elected them to be your bargaining representatives. You voted on what decisions they would be allowed to make on your behalf and what should be put to membership ratification.
In addition, you apparently did not go to meetings and move that this particular issue be put to a membership ratification vote.

Don't hate. Participate.
 
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72Longhorn

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Thanks for the info Hamburger! You have all the info I was seeking....Thanks!
 

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I'm sorry you don't like it. There's a reason nobody is providing the information you request. The way you see it isn't the way the LAW sees it.

It'd be extremely easy to find some lawyer to take a whole mess of your money but you'll get nowhere. Best of luck. Lawyers always need bigger boats.

Do a thread search of "USAPA". That's the info you're looking for.
 
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satpak,

I don't know what state. I'm in Texas, but I guess a class action suite can be filed in any state. I'm not sure.

Hamburger,

The way I see it...The ALPA MEC decided on settling the suite with DHL without the pilot's vote. We did not decide, the union did!

I guess THEY settled, not US (the pilot group).

With that said, I'm guessing we (the pilot group) can sue based on the breach of contract.

Talking to ALPA about this is useless cause it will fall on deaf ears. We are on our own now.

72L
Silly Longhorn, you misunderstood ALPA's intentions. When it comes down to it, ALPA real concerns are what's best for ALPA, not it's pilots. Look at everything else shady MEC and Prater have pushed by it's pilots.
Let's take Age 65 for example, Prater decided that one all on his own, even when the majority of the pilots were against it.
Call a USAir pilot and find out how to vote ALPA off the property, best thing you can do for the pilot group.
 

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You did vote.
You elected them to be your bargaining representatives. You voted on what decisions they would be allowed to make on your behalf and what should be put to membership ratification.
In addition, you apparently did not go to meetings and move that this particular issue be put to a membership ratification vote.

Don't hate. Participate.
No, you're absolutely wrong. National is responsible for the actions of a MEC. The UAL pilots once again proved this and forced a settlement out of ALPA. This was also the basis of the Duke/Spellacy lawsuit where the Pan Am pilots sued ALPA for the Delta/Pan Am debacle. ALPA settled.
 

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Does anyone here know if there is a lawyer that can dispute a class action suite for our Astar pilot group?

Seriously here!

Our ALPA MEC sold us out on our "scope claus," and I think we have a leg to stand on here. The down side here is that our ALPA union agreed on a settlement and called off the suite with DHL.
Finding a lawyer is easy. Finding one that will take a case on contingency is more difficult. Finding a good one that will take a case on contingency is almost impossible unless it's an open-and-shut case, which this one is not.

Besides, what would be your cause of action? I.E., who wronged you, and how? DHL? They're going to say that they put an offer on the table, and 92% of your pilots accepted it. ALPA/MEC? They're going to say that they brought the pilots the best deal they could under the circumstances, and that by an overwhelming majority, you preferred a quick settlement over protracted negotiations.

The law places a lot of restrictions on the process by which a contract is entered into, but it makes almost no requirement that a contract be equally "fair" to both parties. "Because we got screwed!" is not a legal basis to rescind a contract.
I figured if we could get a lawyer to represent ALLl the Astar pilots in a class action suit, then maybe we can get paid for what we have been put through in the last year and a half.
Not to be snarky here, but you did get "paid for what you've been put through" for the last year and a half. You were paid at the contracted rate for every credit hour you accrued up through the date of your last service to the company. You were then paid an additional amount in accordance with the terms of your MEC-negotiated severance package. That's IT, there are no "do-overs"

"We have seen the enemy, and he is US!"
 
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