Any Ex-ATA Guys at GoJets?

[airspeedsalive]

If you get hired and need the job, take it. Please don't let idiots on a message board decide what is right for you. To do otherwise is foolishness. These people spout a lot of crap just for the sake of spouting off. There have been plenty of guys who flew for GJ that have been able to attain employment elsewhere. In no way is GJ a deal breaker for future employment. It gets old, the hissy fits about them.

Exactly what I think. I'm just looking for a little basic info; commutability, insurance, etc.

As it is, I'm flying Lears for a 135 company. It's ok for now, but it's questionable for long term employment due to working conditions, no vacation, money, etc.

I'm just looking at the few options available. If the GoJet pilot group were actual scabs [strike breakers], I wouldn't even consider it. But the fact is they are not. It's just another typical regional.

 

[AiRegency]

GoJets will have just as much impact on your career as attending Gulfstream Academy or slumming it at Pinnacle. In other words, you will be a shoe-in for AirTran.

I'm not up on all the regionals these days so I'll have to ask. What's up with Gulfstream or Pinnacle. Why would they even be compared to GoJets. And is Gulfstream even an airline or is it just a training academy. So maybe we should stick with Pinnacle. I've had a couple of friends now pass through Pinnacle. One's at Delta, the other UPS. J Lebowski summed things up pretty well when he described GoJets alter ego creation in this manner:

Nothing has changed. Go Jets was created in violation of the Trans States ALPA contract. Pilots who take jobs at Go Jets are directly responsible for Trans States pilots being furloughed and downgraded and thereby not being able to pay bills and provide for their families. Technically Go Jet pilots are not scabs, but they are undoubtedly scumbags.

Did Pinnacle (or Gulfstream) do something similar? Now I'm curious.

 

[stlflyguy]

GoJet was created because of American Airlines...end of story.

stlflyguy

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

There ARE TSA guys at Go Jet, and I heard that Go Jet is actually giving preferential hiring to TSA guys.

I say do NOT go to Go Jet IF you can get a better job situation. If Go Jet is the best job you can get, take it, and get out ASAP.

cliff
GRB

 

[OzBushWhacker]

What's the actual contract there like? APC says they are union. Block/better? Days off?

 

[waka]

Whatever you boys need to tell yourselves so that you can sleep at night, thats fine. I wont defend the regionals. They are crummy outfits for the most part; but, there were alot of Trans States pilots who could have gone to Go Jets and gotten a leg up, but didnt because they had a bit of personal integrity. Bottom line: Go Jet pilots are scumbags. Everyone there knows exactly what they did.

Okay Mr. Holier than thou, Did you quit your job in protest when the TSA "stole" flying from Eagle? STFU "scumbag".

 

[Dornier 335]

Hold it now ...!

Well, you got your flying back now and a few TSA guys on the street! Smile! Direct your enchanting attitude now towards the other partner of the AC side.

...and GJ are still scumbags!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi.

Home Depot is set to lay off a whole bunch of employees.

cliff
GRB

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Okay Mr. Holier than thou, Did you quit your job in protest when the TSA "stole" flying from Eagle? STFU "scumbag".

....hey Mr. Pot, did you care when you took over the TWA flying while while mainline guys were getting furloughed???? TSA was the feed for TWA not AE.

This whole mess has AMR finger prints all over it. Beating each other up won't change any of that.

Those routes were mainline flying. The regionals and alter-egos are fighting over the scraps thrown on the ground by AMR.

 

[CaptSeth]

I think if a management goon at AA, TSA, GJ or any other major/regional and especially Ford & Harrison saw this thread they'd have a pretty good chuckle.

Mission accomplished.

 

[stlflyguy]

....hey Mr. Pot, did you care when you took over the TWA flying while while mainline guys were getting furloughed???? TSA was the feed for TWA not AE.

This whole mess has AMR finger prints all over it. Beating each other up won't change any of that.

Those routes were mainline flying. The regionals and alter-egos are fighting over the scraps thrown on the ground by AMR.

Well said! Finally the truth surfaces.....

stlflyguy

 

[Jeff Lebowski]

Waka, do you work for Go Jets? Trans States getting flying from AMR is not even close to comparable to Go Jets. I'm not holier than anyone. I'm getting downgraded next month and now work for a company thats no better than Trans States. I'm a loser. But lets be fair, Go Jet pilots work at a company that was created in direct violation of the TSA cba. AMR giving flying to Trans States is just like any other 'regional stealing from regional' crap that goes on everyday in this business. Those two issues are completely separate. What the Go Jet scenario IS exactly like is this new UAL/Shamrock business. Hopefully the United pilots can find a way to stop that whole cluster.

And whats with STFU? Thats not very nice. I didnt call you any names. Or did I?

 

[AceCrackshot]

DALPA and ALPA Nat'l is directly responsible for this RJ vs. mainline dilemma. They were the first, next and last to scope OUT RJ's back in 1996.

Now, enough whining and figure out how it's going to be rectified going forward.

I'm ex-TSA and ex-ATA. I defend my friends for getting a job.

And we have a winner!

Seriously, how about the Delta bubbas taking one for the team, since they created this mess?

 

[MDWCrashPad]

Based upon Mr. Lebowski's posts, I am not sure he is in the correct business. His thinking will definately drive him crazy eventually, whether it is right or wrong. Let me look back at my career and see who I might be able to call a scumbag:

1. When I was at Pan Am, Eastern went on strike and we started hiring their pilots into the right seat while I remained at the panel for a couple of extra months. Scumbags? Not to me.
2. When Delta was purchasing the Atlantic routes there was a Sunday deal where 35 engineers from the 747 started training on the panel of the 727 so they could go to Delta. According to the bid (IAW the CBA) I was suppose to be sent back to the 727 panel, not them, but my class was then cancled. I would have been one of those going to Delta instead of being on the street for 20 months. Scumbags? I don't think so.
3. On the day Delta was suppose to finalize the deal to finance the remaining Pan Am, they pulled out and Pan Am closed down. (This was preplanned.) After that Delta would not even interview us because we might have a bad attitude. Scumbags? No, but it would have been nice if the pilots had done somethin to stop that.
4. In 1990 United took Pan Am's London hub and the pilot group argued it did not represent any jobs because only 2 planes went along with it. Or how about when Pan Am closed down and the next day United applied to take the South American routes. No pilots. Scumbags? No.
5. Southwest blocked the purchase of ATA by America West. It then entered into a codesharing. After that it started taking over many of our routes and gates. Scumbags? Heck no, at least not the pilots.

Whenever any airline does well another is going to suffer. Its called competition. And when one group works hard to win the competition why should the losing group then get the benefits?

Unfortunately we have set up a system that is currently being used against us. To dwell on these types of things will definately drive one crazy. If we have RJ guys fly our routes for 1/2 the money, then our company can be more profitable and we can keep getting our high salaries. We may lose a few or our junior guys but they can always do it to others when they get recalled.

If Pan Am had survived I would have been a 747 Captain very quickly with all the retirements that were going to take place (avg age in 1991 was 53, avg captain was over 57). I bet and I lost, oh well. I went to ATA and was quickly a captain on the 757. I bet and I won, at least for 15 years.

Now I sit in the left seat next to guys who are 22 years old and who are senior to me. Next year I will probably be sitting in the left seat of a 767 while some 55 year old ex-major captain pulls the gear up for me and we talk about who we should consider scumbags. Maybe one of those 26 year old new 737NG captains I used to give IOE to while I listened to him complain about how much money he would be making if he was flying the 737NG as a captain at Delta. How some guys can view the world from the top and figure out some way to be unhappy I'll never understand.

Oh well, as long as I get my coffee I'll be happy!

 

[ATA For Now!]

Best post on here in a LOOOONG time!

RV

 

[labatt]

Great post MDWCrashPad! Good luck to us all.

 

[jimcav]

Based upon Mr. Lebowski's posts, I am not sure he is in the correct business. His thinking will definately drive him crazy eventually, whether it is right or wrong. Let me look back at my career and see who I might be able to call a scumbag:

1. When I was at Pan Am, Eastern went on strike and we started hiring their pilots into the right seat while I remained at the panel for a couple of extra months. Scumbags? Not to me.
2. When Delta was purchasing the Atlantic routes there was a Sunday deal where 35 engineers from the 747 started training on the panel of the 727 so they could go to Delta. According to the bid (IAW the CBA) I was suppose to be sent back to the 727 panel, not them, but my class was then cancled. I would have been one of those going to Delta instead of being on the street for 20 months. Scumbags? I don't think so.
3. On the day Delta was suppose to finalize the deal to finance the remaining Pan Am, they pulled out and Pan Am closed down. (This was preplanned.) After that Delta would not even interview us because we might have a bad attitude. Scumbags? No, but it would have been nice if the pilots had done somethin to stop that.
4. In 1990 United took Pan Am's London hub and the pilot group argued it did not represent any jobs because only 2 planes went along with it. Or how about when Pan Am closed down and the next day United applied to take the South American routes. No pilots. Scumbags? No.
5. Southwest blocked the purchase of ATA by America West. It then entered into a codesharing. After that it started taking over many of our routes and gates. Scumbags? Heck no, at least not the pilots.

Whenever any airline does well another is going to suffer. Its called competition. And when one group works hard to win the competition why should the losing group then get the benefits?

Unfortunately we have set up a system that is currently being used against us. To dwell on these types of things will definately drive one crazy. If we have RJ guys fly our routes for 1/2 the money, then our company can be more profitable and we can keep getting our high salaries. We may lose a few or our junior guys but they can always do it to others when they get recalled.

If Pan Am had survived I would have been a 747 Captain very quickly with all the retirements that were going to take place (avg age in 1991 was 53, avg captain was over 57). I bet and I lost, oh well. I went to ATA and was quickly a captain on the 757. I bet and I won, at least for 15 years.

Now I sit in the left seat next to guys who are 22 years old and who are senior to me. Next year I will probably be sitting in the left seat of a 767 while some 55 year old ex-major captain pulls the gear up for me and we talk about who we should consider scumbags. Maybe one of those 26 year old new 737NG captains I used to give IOE to while I listened to him complain about how much money he would be making if he was flying the 737NG as a captain at Delta. How some guys can view the world from the top and figure out some way to be unhappy I'll never understand.

Oh well, as long as I get my coffee I'll be happy!

Well said sir.

 

[Tristar]

Does this mean we aren't getting 717's?

 

[Shrek]

GoJet sucks.......

 

[spitfire1500]

so gojet pilots are directly responsible for the demise of trans states. So if Jetblue decides to go after spirit and put them out of buisness and they succeed, the jetblue pilots will be personally responsible for putting all the spirit pilots out of work. I assume the jetblue pilots would be scumbag also.

Your an idiot. Everyone needs to draw a paycheck and pay bills.

Your like the same usair captain idiot that lectured me on the jumpseat for 2 hours on how my former company with 2 old 737 200s was trying put usair and him on the street. Like I had anything directly to do with it. All I was trying to do was jumpseat to work so I can pay bills.

Jet Blue and Go Jet are two different worlds. Go Jet was started as an alter ego by the same company to whipsaw a contract.(like Freedom was at Mesa). Jet Blue and Spirit are competitors.
I can't believe it has come to this.... people on here encouraging pilots to work at these places (Go Jet). Screw that. If I get furloughed (and it's a good possibility) I am not commuting for a regional to pull gear and make 25K. Ill do something else for a few years.