Anti union pilots.....I don't get it.

[capt. megadeth]

It just absolutely freaking BLOWS MY MIND to see all the anti union pilots on here!

I mean, correct me if I am wrong here but IMO if you don't want a union, you are basically saying you trust management. Can management and trust really be used in the same sentence these days? Don't people see the crooks for who they are? Maybe I should start smoking whatever they are....

I just don't get it. WTF???? Management sticks together, why don't pilots? Management must be loving these people.

 

[G2T]

The people who don't believe in unions haven't had to personally use them for anything yet. They just benefit from the broad actions that the organization takes without supporting it. It is just like the G.A. pilot who refuses to support/join A.O.P.A. because it is too expensive even though they benefit from the organizations actions whether they are members or not.

 

[sstearns2]

Some of the 'anti-union' people on here have good reasons to be so.

There's also a big difference between feeling that ALPA is not right for your airilne and being anit-union.

Scott

 

[BirdCatcher]

It just absolutely freaking BLOWS MY MIND to see all the anti union pilots on here!

I mean, correct me if I am wrong here but IMO if you don't want a union, you are basically saying you trust management. Can management and trust really be used in the same sentence these days? Don't people see the crooks for who they are? Maybe I should start smoking whatever they are....

I just don't get it. WTF???? Management sticks together, why don't pilots? Management must be loving these people.

It's sad, not only do we have to contend with so many management types who only care about increasing, then increasing, then increasing revenue, we have to contend with a increasingly growing number of pilots who don't understand the world in which they live.

"I'm just happy to have a job." The problem is, this is a PROFESSION, working at the mall in high school was a JOB. Maybe Oakleys prevent seeing reality, no one wants to know the history of this profession. "Understanding the past to prevent the future"

"I'm just happy to have a job." Yes, that's it, the company is a charity to provide for aspiring pilots. Your just lucky right? Nevermind the fact they need to have pilot fill that seat, they need you. You are there to protect their interests, yet as we have seen over and over again, they only protect the SHAREHOLDERS interest. Yet so many think they are not professional, "just happy to have a job"

Hope that not too many of these type make it to UPS and other places. Then what will become of this profession?

 

[arthompson]

What really amazes me are the number of people that are so harsh on how management at various places does things but have no real plan to allow the companies to continue to be profitable so you can continue to have a job. I guess no one here understands that managements job is to be able to make the company turn a profit. No profit, no company, no job for the pilot (or anyone else for that matter).

I have a friend that made the leap from union leadership to management. While I know for a fact that he got screwed by his bosses when he made that leap, he at least stepped up to the plate. I doubt many of you "oh my god why won't you accept that the union is best for you" people have the balls to do that.

 

[PCL_128]

What really amazes me are the number of people that are so harsh on how management at various places does things but have no real plan to allow the companies to continue to be profitable so you can continue to have a job. I guess no one here understands that managements job is to be able to make the company turn a profit. No profit, no company, no job for the pilot (or anyone else for that matter).

You're starting with a false premise. For some reason, you assume that the employees getting a fair share means that the companies won't be able to be profitable. That's patently absurd. Neither ALPA, nor any other union for that matter, wants to see the companies fail. ALPA's goal is to receive a fair share of the pie. Instead, management runs the business by the motto "the more we let you have, the less that I can keep for me." It's an issue of greed. Management refuses to allow the "little people" to have anything, because that means that there will be less for them and the shareholders. If it were up to management, every employee outside of management would make minimum wage and receive no benefits. Unions are there to provide balance and to make sure that that can't happen.

I have a friend that made the leap from union leadership to management. While I know for a fact that he got screwed by his bosses when he made that leap, he at least stepped up to the plate. I doubt many of you "oh my god why won't you accept that the union is best for you" people have the balls to do that.

I'm not sure what you're point is here.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Instead, management runs the business by the motto "the more we let you have, the less that I can keep for me." It's an issue of greed. Management refuses to allow the "little people" to have anything, because that means that there will be less for them and the shareholders. If it were up to management, every employee outside of management would make minimum wage and receive no benefits. Unions are there to provide balance and to make sure that that can't happen.

I'm not sure what you're point is here.

Exactly!

I think his point is is that his friend went to the "dark side" :laugh:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Mega...

There is a quite a few niave' attitudes out there...

First... did anyone say... "When I become an Air Line Pilot.. I hope I am politically effective in my career.." Yet that is what it takes..

Imagine if every pilot resigned themselves to just "show up, fly thier trip and go home..." Would this be a career or job... ???

Combine that with the first statement.. WHO WANTS to work at defending the profession... Look at most people in the USA. We had election this past Tues... a minority particaption rate showes up.. democracy takes effort... people just want to live thier lives... not to be bothered...

Many pilots when they don't have a jet job...WANT a jet job... and they are so grateful when they do... thus they feel a sense of loyalty.. and joining a union is being disloyal to ones employeer.. (is any employer loyal to its employee?)

It is against expectations to have to fight to keep the job and make it a career...

They'd rather pretend that everything is ok. C'mon..if they recognized unions then they have to actually do something about it....

Simply put it is easier to put ones head in the sand...

Ignorance is bliss....

 

[capt. megadeth]

Rez....

We finally agree on something. Ain't it great????

 

[J and E's Daddy]

What has ALPA done for me? First and foremost, when my wife was pregnant with our second child. she had a car accident. I called my domicile chief pilot, and was released immediately during the overnight. I was informed 2 days later, that upon my return from the overnight, I was scheduled for a drug test, and was accused of avoiding it. The company attempted to terminate me. ALPA stepped in and got me reinstated, I did not have to pay any attorney fees.
I lost my medical. Who helped me fight the FAA and get my medical back? ALPA did. While I know many are not fans of ALPA and I am aware Republic and Horizon are IBT, without any union, I would not be flying today. I also would have had a termination on my record. Without a union, you have ZERO PROTECTIONS from anyrthing to altitude or clearance deviations while lying the line, or protections from the FAA Aeromedical doctors. You are fair game. There are a few non union carriers. And I wonder how many are constantly being pushed around? If the company treats you well, then you don't need a union. But remember, you also sacrafice protections that ASAP programs provide, or protections if you lose your medical or protections due to lack of communication.