Another Southwest question...

[NOZ]

Sorry to add to the list of Southwest posts, but I couldn't find an answer in any of the old posts...

I am wondering if Southwest allows any outside flying?

It would be a pt 91 coporate gig, just to fill in on a couple of days off of the regular pilots. Probably no more than 10 hours a month at most. Just trying to prepare me and the company for the future, when and if my oppuritunity comes along.

One other question is there a minimum credit per month that you must work? Thanks....

 

[UAL300]

Generally no. You must have Chief pilot's permission for any outside commercial flying Pt 91, 121, 135, 125, etc. They may allow it on a case by case basis.

 

[GuppyWN]

VP of flight ops has to give you permission - not a chief. So if you're comfortable asking the #1 pilot in the company to go fly for another company because SWA flying isn't good enough then knock yourself out.

I'm sure you'll get other opinions but I'd advise against it unless it was a VERY rare occasion.

Gup

 

[Alcatraz]

One other question is there a minimum credit per month that you must work? Thanks....

Generally not. There are restrictions on how you give away your time, though. SWA doesn't really have a trip drop system where you forcefully drop your trips into open time without picking up a similar number of duty periods from open time, and there is a minimum credit value when trading with open time that varies from month to month (I remember seeing 65 "trips" quite frequently, which is about 55 or 60 hours minimum). However, you can give away nearly anything and everything to other pilots if they pick it up with varying degrees of success. It's tough when you're junior to do this, though.

Good luck...

 

[Shamu37]

One of my buddies actually went to "feel out" the issue. He asked for about 10 hours a month of extra "outside Part 91 Corporate flying." He spoke with an Asst. Chief and was told he could have 1 hour! I think because of the fact that he was already picking up an extra 15 hours a month of SWA flying. He then went and asked a Chief pilot the same question looking for a better answer; Answer: "Absolutly Not".

I'm a former Corporate guy and was going to try the same thing. But decided not to even bother. Instead I just do all the extra flying at SWA I can. I actually made out pretty well and I just got off 1st year probation. So in my case it really wasn't even worth it. Rules say you have to go to the VP of Flight Ops and I just wasn't too excited about doing that.

 

[LearAv8r]

Yes, you can do it!!. You have to give your hours that you fly (part 91) to scheduling per month. It is really no big deal and I did it to help out an old employer. You get the letter from the VP of flt ops, takes a few weeks and you are good to go. Like I said it is no big deal, although not too many people do it.

Chances are you can make more money picking up flying at SWA then going back to an old employer to make ends meet first year.

Good luck what ever you decide.

 

[scoreboard]

Who do you want to work for SWA or your old employer?

 

[firstthird]

I flew with a very senior captain that was doing it, to grease the skids for a flying job after he retired. I suspect it is easier for a guy who has been here forever to do it than a guy on probation but have no direct knowledge.

The other thing to consider is what effect a violation/infraction picked up at your part-time corporate gig might affect your primary/long term employment. Although I suppose the same argument could be made about flying for fun on the side, heck, it probably is.

And like other posters mentioned, it probably wouldn't be as lucrative as picking up extra at SWA. Even as a probation 1st year guy, you'll get paid at 2nd year rates for mostl extra flying you get (depending on how you get it).

 

[SWA/FO]

I am wondering if Southwest allows any outside flying?

The Mil guys do it every weekend. Oh............yeah, that is different, sorry.

Who do you want to work for SWA or your old employer?

Interesting question? :cartman:

 

[RedDogC130]

SWA F/O go back to your cage.... Your a Captain now right? Change the name you don't need to be associated with us lonely FO's...you might give us a bad name.... to late

 

[SWA/FO]

imp: Yeah, whatever...

Seems like "flying on the side" is "flying on the side" both get paid for it, right? Only one has to count it towards his time. Only one has to ask the VP of Flight Ops for permission to do it. The other guy gets trips pulled that are in the way, a full union committee to help and a supplemental (primary) retirement fund in the end.

Not a bad deal for some.
Just the facts baby... You guys need to lighten up a bit, I only speak the facts.

 

[NOZ]

Thanks, good to know...

Just for the record, it would not be for the money (mostly). I just like flying with a friend on occasion and golfing on somebody else's dime. Guess not though...

 

[RamRise]

If SWA/FO already upgraded the company has some "splaining" to do as they passed over about 500 pilots.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

I do it, and the there is a section in the FOM that references other commercial flying. 15 hrs is the max. Sent a letter to the VP and it was sent back within a week telling me go for it and be careful. Ignore all previous naysayer posts.

 

[becket]

Do it anyway, it's none of their business. Family first, employer second, (or in my case) 10,022nd

 

[ivauir]

I've know 2 guys who did it. No problem, not a lot of hours and I think one was doing it during vacation.

As far as SWA/FO 's military comments .... dude don't ever ask for my support again. I know who you are and was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you have gone too far.

When I was a reservist I took a pay cut to do something that was scary and sucked. There is some truth for you "union brother".

 

[SWA/FO]

If SWA/FO already upgraded the company has some "splaining" to do as they passed over about 500 pilots.

Thats what I was thinking.

As far as SWA/FO 's military comments .... dude don't ever ask for my support again. I know who you are and was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you have gone too far.

Too far? I haven't gone anywhere. I'm just pointing out the facts/differences in the two categories. One you have to ask, one you have the God given right to do and a law to help you. Are you that sensitive, Try not to read much more into it, OK. Veiw my comments as if you're an outsider.

A few posts back, I said the Military folks have a better networking system then the civilians and that made some of you guys cry foul.

I am sorry you are that sensitive. I thought you were tougher then that.

 

[LearAv8r]

I for once have to agree with the SWA/FO.....

Dd I just say that..?

What is good for one should be good for all......

 

[SWA GUY]

imp: Yeah, whatever...

Seems like "flying on the side" is "flying on the side" both get paid for it, right? Only one has to count it towards his time. Only one has to ask the VP of Flight Ops for permission to do it. The other guy gets trips pulled that are in the way, a full union committee to help and a supplemental (primary) retirement fund in the end.

Not a bad deal for some.
Just the facts baby... You guys need to lighten up a bit, I only speak the facts.

I'm with you on this SWA/FO. Outside flying is fine/dandy/expected/no questions asked for the mil folks, but subject/questionable/suspicious/wierd for the civ folks?

 

[On Your Six]

Sorry to add to the list of Southwest posts, but I couldn't find an answer in any of the old posts...

I am wondering if Southwest allows any outside flying?

It would be a pt 91 coporate gig, just to fill in on a couple of days off of the regular pilots. Probably no more than 10 hours a month at most. Just trying to prepare me and the company for the future, when and if my oppuritunity comes along.

One other question is there a minimum credit per month that you must work? Thanks....

Why would you want to fly more? You will likely be exhausted from your multi-sector, 25-min turn days. The last thing you will want to do is fly another airplane... Go play some golf.

 

[RedBelly]

I support the reserve folks all the way, but I do think your military flight time should count toward the FAA limits.

 

[SWA/FO]

Why would you want to fly more? You will likely be exhausted from your multi-sector, 25-min turn days. The last thing you will want to do is fly another airplane... Go play some golf.

I don't. I think some of the Mil guys don't like it so much either.

 

[vixin]

I agree with SWA/FO also.

 

[flint4xx]

I fly outside with the CP's blessing, in writing. Never been an issue, and I'm not dumb enough to screw up a good deal.

 

[flint4xx]

...but wait until you're off probation.

 

[scoreboard]

I'm with you on this SWA/FO. Outside flying is fine/dandy/expected/no questions asked for the mil folks, but subject/questionable/suspicious/wierd for the civ folks?

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Because you can't figure out the difference between sacrifice, service to country and greed.

 

[SWA/FO]

Because you can't figure out the difference between sacrifice, service to country and greed.

Sure, I know the difference. I know if you quit 19 years into it you don't get your Military retirement. Dats why you go and do the guard thing to fullfill the 20 years. Why would anybody want two jobs? Cus the reward in the end. Reward could mean many things: personal satisfaction, money, title etc...Don't make this a bigger issue then what we were talking about.

If greed didn't factor into any of this, why do you have an airline job? Why not stay in and serve your Country, forever? Why not quit? (cus, you would be crazy too $$$).

Just because I didn't VOLUNTEER for the services doesn't mean, I'm Un-American or don't understand sacrifice. You don't need the SWA/FO patting you on the back, your doing a fine job yourself, besides your hand is in the way.

So get over it,

We were talking about permission to fly outside the Company. :cartman:

 

[AeroDork]

Because you can't figure out the difference between sacrifice, service to country and greed.

So are you saying you really don't want to fly the F-15, they're making you?

About 99% of us would sacrafice our left nuts for some Eagle stick time.

 

[ivauir]

So are you saying you really don't want to fly the F-15, they're making you?

About 99% of us would sacrafice our left nuts for some Eagle stick time.

Not everybody serving is fly an airplane you'd go to an airshow to see.

 

[TonkaF16]

Sure, I know the difference. I know if you quit 19 years into it you don't get your Military retirement. Dats why you go and do the guard thing to fullfill the 20 years. Why would anybody want two jobs? Cus the reward in the end. Reward could mean many things: personal satisfaction, money, title etc...Don't make this a bigger issue then what we were talking about.

If greed didn't factor into any of this, why do you have an airline job? Why not stay in and serve your Country, forever? Why not quit? (cus, you would be crazy too $$$).

Just because I didn't VOLUNTEER for the services doesn't mean, I'm Un-American or don't understand sacrifice. You don't need the SWA/FO patting you on the back, your doing a fine job yourself, besides your hand is in the way.

So get over it,

We were talking about permission to fly outside the Company. :cartman:

Some of us made the transition to keep the family from unraveling due to ill planned and spiraling overseas commitments made by civilian politicians.

Money has very little to do with it. When you turn down the bonus and the check of the month club, it’s an aggregate financial loss to jump ship after the twelve year point.